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Old 06-25-2008, 05:37 PM
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When I heard Alan Foreman say they would "do the right thing," I had presumed that meant own up to it if he thought he did it intentionally. So yes, I was expecting otherwise.
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Old 06-25-2008, 05:42 PM
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When I heard Alan Foreman say they would "do the right thing," I had presumed that meant own up to it if he thought he did it intentionally. So yes, I was expecting otherwise.
To 'do the right thing' would be to tell the truth, whatever it may be.

To 'do the right thing' for his career, would be what he did today.

He did what he thought gave him the best chance to resurrect his career if and when this thing blows over. Can't say I blame him.(for the letter, not the incident in question)
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Old 06-25-2008, 05:49 PM
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Really though? I think more people would appreciate it if he came out, admitted he did it on purpose, and took his medicine. I actually think that might be better for his career in the long run.

It has to be a feather in his cap that Wolfendale is publicly supporting him.
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Old 06-25-2008, 05:50 PM
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It is very easy to say this was intentional. Apparently, and I might be wrong, he did not hit her after the wire. That to me is one crucial point. If it was after the wire, it's an easy call. If it wasn't -- then there will be those who feel it was intentional and he is lying, and there will be those who feel it wasn't intentional. And so on.

I am not a jock. Maybe I am naive. My knee jerk reaction would be that a professional can control, and tell the difference between a swat at a shoulder and a swat at the face. I don't know.

Maybe the situation isn't as obvious as initially thought. Maybe it was.

Regardless, he should be punished. It's his responsibility to protect his mount's health, welfare and well being.

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Old 06-25-2008, 05:54 PM
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It is very easy to say this was intentional. Apparently, and I might be wrong, he did not hit her after the wire. That to me is one crucial point. If it was after the wire, it's an easy call. If it wasn't -- then there will be those who feel it was intentional and he is lying, and there will be those who feel it wasn't intentional. And so on.

I am not a jock. Maybe I am naive. My knee jerk reaction would be that a professional can control, and tell the difference between a swat at a shoulder and a swat at the face. I don't know.

Maybe the situation isn't as obvious as initially thought. Maybe it was.

Regardless, he should be punished. It's his responsibility to protect his mount's health, welfare and well being.

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Well said.
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Old 06-25-2008, 05:59 PM
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Well said.
My knee jerk reaction, at first, was like everyone's. Now I feel I have to think it through more. So, I have horses at Delaware. My immediate question is what happens if Rose was in the room today, tomorrow -- and my trainer wanted to use him. What would I do? I am not embarrassed to say I just don't know yet. I want to think this through more. Whatever decision I would come to, would be after all thought and I would be definitive. I just don't know where that would be right now. I'd ask my partner, my trainer, I'd ask other jocks who I know very well, personally not just professionally. I think many of us arrive at some opinions with input, educated input, from others.

I don't know -- the kid (and I don't use that word disrespectfully) has been on horses for many years. How many times? 10,000? An accident? I don't know, I am starting to think that it's a tough "mistake" -- to make and for me to swallow. Shoulder? Face? I just don't know.

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Old 06-25-2008, 06:10 PM
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My knee jerk reaction, at first, was like everyone's. Now I feel I have to think it through more. So, I have horses at Delaware. My immediate question is what happens if Rose was in the room today, tomorrow -- and my trainer wanted to use him. What would I do? I am not embarrassed to say I just don't know yet. I want to think this through more. Whatever decision I would come to, would be after all thought and I would be definitive. I just don't know where that would be right now. I'd ask my partner, my trainer, I'd ask other jocks who I know very well, personally not just professionally. I think many of us arrive at some opinions with input, educated input, from others.

I don't know -- the kid (and I don't use that word disrespectfully) has been on horses for many years. How many times? 10,000? An accident? I don't know, I am starting to think that it's a tough "mistake" -- to make and for me to swallow. Shoulder? Face? I just don't know.

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well when you see him .. blast him in the face and catch some eye socket..then say.. sorry..and walk away.........
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Old 06-25-2008, 06:58 PM
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well when you see him .. blast him in the face and catch some eye socket..then say.. sorry..and walk away.........
You're too easy, I say give him the same two fingers that Moe gave Curly and Shemp and let him know that there is more to come when he can start to see again.
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Old 06-25-2008, 06:11 PM
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Well said?

Well said if you are an OJ Simpson apologist.

How does one accidentally reposition the arm to where you hit the horse in the face, have the horse bolt five lanes over, and then accidentally hit the horse again, maybe even two more times, in the face??!

I'll tell you how.

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Old 06-25-2008, 07:53 PM
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Personally, I LOVE where he says:

"As we were coming through the lane, I intended to hit her on the shoulder with my whip to keep her from continuing to lug in, and hold my position in 2nd."

It took them over 48 hours to come up with this?

A) In my many years of enjoying the sport, I have actually never seen a jockey who intended to hit a horse on the shoulder, nearly take out an eye. I'm not saying it never happened but I've never seen it in 32 years of watching.

B) After the initial "lugging in" the horse had actually straighted out for about 4-5 jumps before he whacked her, the first time.

C) When he hit her for the 2nd and 3rd time as they neared the wire, the 2nd place finisher had already passed them up with ease, so I'm not sure how he thought he was going to "hold...2nd".

The ONLY thing he has going in his favor is nobody REALLY knows if it was an accident or not except for him. In the court of public opinion, he has already been convicted. I am one of those who has done so. But I don't think at this point that matters to him or his lawyer. The only thing that matters is getting this behind them, with as little punishment as possible. They'll hope the rest will take care of itself over time.
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Old 06-25-2008, 06:14 PM
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Did anyone just hear Maggie Wolfendale call in to ATR?
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Old 06-25-2008, 06:37 PM
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I missed it, Kasept. What did she say?
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Did anyone just hear Maggie Wolfendale call in to ATR?
She has a couple of posts on thoroughbred champions.
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Old 06-26-2008, 09:45 AM
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Steve, I am in the middle of listening to yesterday's show. I am quite surprised by what is being said by your guests. Seth Morrow really didn't see the incident? I'm not saying that he's not being honest, but I find it hard to believe that ANYONE with ties remotely close to what he has to the sport hasn't seen the footage. Maggie Wolfendale saying that Rose didn't seem agitated when he returned with the mare tells me nothing. He had a few minutes during the gallop out and return before the unsaddling to realize what he had done. I'm not in his head, but hasn't everyone done something and IMMEDIATELY realized they F'ed UP? 3 minutes is plenty of time to compose yourself and come up with a STORY. And Gary West was the most shocking of all. He makes it seem like the harsh reaction to the incident is by people who don't really get it. People who are just out to ban the whip or are still feeling the sting from the Eight Belles situation. But on this board, we have owners, trainers, writers, professional handicappers, gamblers and die hard fans. With the exception of maybe slodirt, I'm pretty sure everyone else commenting here feels that it was done maliciously. And Gary West was "shocked at the ruling" and he sees "no indication that he was using his whip beligerantly or maliciously" and think this is an "over reaction". Seriously?

Maybe you comment on the show later on, as I said I am just listening Gary West now.
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Old 06-25-2008, 08:47 PM
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