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Old 06-24-2008, 08:49 PM
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Can I ask a question? In all seriousness, is it not at all even remotely possible that the whip in question was an accident? If Rose comes out and says it was an accident, do we just completely dismiss it? Again, I know I'll get slammed again for even asking the question, but I don't understand why folks won't even consider that there is perhaps another side to the story.

I heard Alan Foreman say on the ATR tonight that Rose will "do whatever is right," or something to that effect. What does that actually mean anyway?
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:50 PM
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Can I ask a question? In all seriousness, is it not at all even remotely possible that the whip in question was an accident? If Rose comes out and says it was an accident, do we just completely dismiss it? Again, I know I'll get slammed again for even asking the question, but I don't understand why folks won't even consider that there is perhaps another side to the story.

I heard Alan Foreman say on the ATR tonight that Rose will "do whatever is right," or something to that effect. What does that actually mean anyway?
i think it was a accident, i doubt rose did this on purpose... i was going to post that earlier, but to be honest was afraid of the response from everyone else.
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:53 PM
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I'm not sure what it says for my argument when jcs is the only one on my side.

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i think it was a accident, i doubt rose did this on purpose... i was going to post that earlier, but to be honest was afraid of the response from everyone else.
honestly, I have no clue how anyone could watch that and think that it was an accident that the whip hit the horse in the head...then a couple extra taps for good measure as well.
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:55 PM
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honestly, I have no clue how anyone could watch that and think that it was an accident that the whip hit the horse in the head...then a couple extra taps for good measure as well.
i guess i just want to think no one is this cruel.... its a horrible thing, but its hard for me to beleive that he did this on purpose.
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:56 PM
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honestly, I have no clue how anyone could watch that and think that it was an accident that the whip hit the horse in the head...then a couple extra taps for good measure as well.
I tend to agree. It looks like he whacked her for good measure as they were passing the wire.
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Old 06-24-2008, 09:14 PM
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I tend to agree. It looks like he whacked her for good measure as they were passing the wire.
That is what I saw ... A belated swat that the mare reeled from ...

Both the winner and Rose's mare were all over the track in the stretch ... Rose was moving on the outside whipping right handed, when the winner drifted out, and Rose's mare veered in ..

Rose switched the whip to the left, and nothing looked too amiss until the wire ...

Had Rose's mare been bearing in uncontrollably to the point of danger to herself, Rose, and the field, hitting her in the head is an ugly last resort, but better than flipping over the rail or racking up the field behind her in doing so ...

I have seen horses hit on the side of the head while bearing in or out uncontrollably as a last ditch measure ...

I do not know if this was the case here, but it looked like the mare was ok on the rail and got a punitive crack in the face ... Maybe , maybe not ...

It looked bad enough for the stewards to take measures, but I'd rather hear a final answer before I make a final judgement ...

It is, however, inargueable, that racing does not need this, and neither did the poor mare ...
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Can I ask a question? In all seriousness, is it not at all even remotely possible that the whip in question was an accident? If Rose comes out and says it was an accident, do we just completely dismiss it? Again, I know I'll get slammed again for even asking the question, but I don't understand why folks won't even consider that there is perhaps another side to the story.

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i think it was a accident, i doubt rose did this on purpose... i was going to post that earlier, but to be honest was afraid of the response from everyone else.
Proof enough slotdirt?
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Old 06-25-2008, 01:01 AM
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Even if it was an accident, it just shows how careless Rose is.

I agree with everyone else though that there's no excuse.
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I heard Alan Foreman say on the ATR tonight that Rose will "do whatever is right," or something to that effect. What does that actually mean anyway?
I wondered too. Foreman said he will keep us informed and I will have the DRC's Chairman John Wayne tomorrow as well.
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Can I ask a question? In all seriousness, is it not at all even remotely possible that the whip in question was an accident? If Rose comes out and says it was an accident, do we just completely dismiss it? Again, I know I'll get slammed again for even asking the question, but I don't understand why folks won't even consider that there is perhaps another side to the story.

I heard Alan Foreman say on the ATR tonight that Rose will "do whatever is right," or something to that effect. What does that actually mean anyway?
Unless he went to whip, the horse bucked or bolted or something mid-swing, and he completely misfired due to that, it's almost impossible to miss your target by 5 feet (not to mention in FRONT of your body versus behind.) It was a bad decision in the heat of the moment, and will haunt him for the rest of his life. I feel bad for both horse and rider.
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