House Subcommittee Hearings

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by FGFan

How can you see it any other way? PETA went beserk after the Kentucky Derby, then suddenly a Rep. from Kentucky whose wife dually sits on the KHRA and HSUS introduces a hearing in his own committee. Seems pretty clear to me and others that have dealt with animal legislation before.

Believe me I'm not in anyway saying there does not need to be change, but your point of contention amongst the people in the business is what needs to be addressed.


Ideally what needs to happen is the state racing commissions, the tracks, the horsemen, the vets need to come together come up with a plan that works for all tracks. Make your own intersate commission. Then the correct people that work on a day to day basis with these animals are the ones to bring it to each state and have legislation passed in each state that is basically the same around the country and that will govern racing. That way you don't and can't have the likes of PETA and HSUS interfering.
It is so much easier to have legislation like that passed, the horsemen and commissions come up with a plan make the reccomendations bring to a bill and it goes thru without a hitch and you don't have anti-AR people like myself upset that the AR's influenced the bill.

The problem is when you leave it to the legislators on their own you have the AR people in their ears 24/7. No matter what the horseracing people say or think...... PETA and HSUS think you are all animal abusers and should be stopped, it is but one of their sole missions in life.

Oh and you really need to hire a good lobbying firm ASAP.

The horseracing industry has 1000x more influence on congress than PETA. All the gambling industries have strong lobbies in Washington.
You guys are talking as if the people on the panels were from PETA and HSUS. Practically every person on the panel was from horseracing.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The horseracing industry has 1000x more influence on congress than PETA. All the gambling industries have strong lobbies in Washington.
You guys are talking as if the people on the panels were from PETA and HSUS. Practically every person on the panel was from horseracing.

HSUS has 1000x more influence on congress than gambling or horse racing. They own - today - far more congressmen than racing or gambling ever will.

The Chairman leading the hearing is the husband of a vice president of HSUS.

They cut off or ignored everybody whose viewpoint they didn't want to hear and whose viewpoint didn't directly support federal control (don't read about what was said, go listen to it yourself)

Do not underestimate these people. PETA is nothing, but HSUS is something. HSUS dresses up well and goes to Washington daily.

HSUS wants to control horseracing with the point of banning it in the future. They know exactly what they are doing and how to garner public support, and how to lobby. And they have plenty of money to fund whatever they want.

THE HSUS CALLED THIS HEARING - it wouldn't have occured except for the Humane Society of the United States VP Connie Whitfield telling her husband to call it

The HSUS contributed campaign funds to Whitfields' husband, the Congressman who called this hearing.

To underestimate these people (the HSUS), or believe they will "help racing", is unbelievably naive. Look at their history in the animal rights arena.

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by Riot

HSUS has 1000x more influence on congress than gambling or horse racing. They own - today - far more congressmen than racing or gambling ever will.

The Chairman leading the hearing is the husband of a vice president of HSUS.

They cut off or ignored everybody whose viewpoint they didn't want to hear and whose viewpoint didn't directly support federal control (don't read about what was said, go listen to it yourself)

Do not underestimate these people. PETA is nothing, but HSUS is something. HSUS dresses up well and goes to Washington daily.

HSUS wants to control horseracing with the point of banning it in the future. They know exactly what they are doing and how to garner public support, and how to lobby. And they have plenty of money to fund whatever they want.

THE HSUS CALLED THIS HEARING - it wouldn't have occured except for the Humane Society of the United States VP Connie Whitfield telling her husband to call it

The HSUS contributed campaign funds to Whitfields' husband, the Congressman who called this hearing.

To underestimate these people (the HSUS), or believe they will "help racing", is unbelievably naive. Look at their history in the animal rights arena.

Hah, you got to it before me....


I think I suggested a pretty good alternative to the Fed, now how to enact that with fragmented groups is another thing.

Seems some are determined that the Fed is the way to go. Falls on deaf ears how influential these AR groups are.

Oh well, they say hindsight is 20/20, once the bad legislation is passed they can't say we didn't warn them.

[Riot]

"Since its inception, HSUS has tried to limit the choices of American consumers, opposing dog breeding, conventional livestock and poultry farming, rodeos, circuses, horse racing, marine aquariums, and fur trapping."

http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm

Just click under "activist groups" and click on Humane Society of the United States

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

"Since its inception, HSUS has tried to limit the choices of American consumers, opposing dog breeding, conventional livestock and poultry farming, rodeos, circuses, horse racing, marine aquariums, and fur trapping."

http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm

Just click under "activist groups" and click on Humane Society of the United States

Since they are so powerful why do we still have rodeos, circuses, horse racing, poultry farming, etc. ?

Animals can't protect themselves. They need a voice. I am thankful that there are animal right's groups out there. I wish the animal right's groups had more power. Unfortunately they don't.

By the way, who funds that website that you provided the link to? That website is hilarious. They bash all animal right's groups. I didn't realize that all animal right's groups are bad. How in the world could you think that any information from that site is credible?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

HSUS has 1000x more influence on congress than gambling or horse racing. They own - today - far more congressmen than racing or gambling ever will.

The Chairman leading the hearing is the husband of a vice president of HSUS.

They cut off or ignored everybody whose viewpoint they didn't want to hear and whose viewpoint didn't directly support federal control (don't read about what was said, go listen to it yourself)

Do not underestimate these people. PETA is nothing, but HSUS is something. HSUS dresses up well and goes to Washington daily.

HSUS wants to control horseracing with the point of banning it in the future. They know exactly what they are doing and how to garner public support, and how to lobby. And they have plenty of money to fund whatever they want.

THE HSUS CALLED THIS HEARING - it wouldn't have occured except for the Humane Society of the United States VP Connie Whitfield telling her husband to call it

The HSUS contributed campaign funds to Whitfields' husband, the Congressman who called this hearing.

To underestimate these people (the HSUS), or believe they will "help racing", is unbelievably naive. Look at their history in the animal rights arena.

The President of the Jockey Club testified. He said he didn't want federal control. So that was a witness who did not support federal control. If Whitfield's husband wanted to ban horseracing, do you honestly think that he would have any chance of doing it? There is no way. The horseracing industry has an incredibly strong lobby in congress. They have 100x more power than the HSUS or PETA.

By the way, Dutrow was invited to testify. Is he in the pockets of PETA?

[Riot]

If Whitfield's husband wanted to ban horseracing, do you honestly think that he would have any chance of doing it?

Absolutely. They just started - they held this hearing.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Absolutely. They just started - they held this hearing.

I guess that is the end of horseracing. Do you think this year's Derby was the last Kentucky Derby we will ever see or do you think that we might have one more next year and that will be it? I'm obviously being sarcastic.

Any changes that will be made, will only be made with the support of some powerful people in racing. Even an issue like the whip. If they end up changing the whip or banning the whip, it will only be because there are plenty of people in racing that think the whip is not necessary. People like Jerry Bailey and Nick Zito don't think the whip is needed. I asked one of my trainers. He said he would have no problem with the elimination of the whip.

I made two posts in a row, so you may have missed my last post. In that post, I asked who was behind that website that you provided the link to.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I made two posts in a row, so you may have missed my last post. In that post, I asked who was behind that website that you provided the link to.

Just go to the website, click on "About Us", and it tells you.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Just go to the website, click on "About Us", and it tells you.

It doesn't tell you anything. They don't tell you who they are or who is funding them. They simply call themselves "Center For Consumer Freedom". A more accurate name would be "multi-billion dollar corporations who want to discredit any group that might cost us money".