REAL HORSE meeting Good For Nothing Turf Sprinters

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

no pushover for first defence

the 9 has speed and coa
the 1 had speed and the inside
the 8 may the schwartz be with you!!

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

no pushover for first defence

the 9 has speed and coa
the 1 had speed and the inside
the 8 may the schwartz be with you!!

I'm sorry, then please explain this post.


I didn't " beat up on the Fat Man. " I was just joking with him. It's pretty clear I have a huge amount of respect for his opinion. Just as it's also clear that I thought betting against First Defence was probably a mistake. Win or lose, he's a dramatically better horse than today's competition and he has superior turf breeding ( probably better than dirt ). He wasn't great value at even money but to me you either keyed him or passed the race.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm sorry, then please explain this post.


I didn't " beat up on the Fat Man. " I was just joking with him. It's pretty clear I have a huge amount of respect for his opinion. Just as it's also clear that I thought betting against First Defence was probably a mistake. Win or lose, he's a dramatically better horse than today's competition and he has superior turf breeding ( probably better than dirt ). He wasn't great value at even money but to me you either keyed him or passed the race.

they were other options.. and he allmost got beat by 1

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

they were other options.. and he allmost got beat by 1

I understand. But, he was the dominent speed, that's all. I know it was obvious.

He was decidedly unimpressive today and even though he won it probably was right to bet against him in retrospect.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I understand. But, he was the dominent speed, that's all. I know it was obvious.

He was decidedly unimpressive today and even though he won it probably was right to bet against him in retrospect.

This is where understanding the concept BEHIND 'ENTRY' comes into play. I mean you can understand how to go about running an entry but you also need to grasp the concept. Penna understood it in the 5th, and won the race. Yesterday, DONK didn't understand it, and lost the race. 2 weeks ago, Cornelio (and Mott) failed to grasp it, and it cost them a win as well.

If Linda Rice took a look at the form, she'd realize that FD was the lone speed. She would thus realize that she'd have to 'sacrifice' one of her horses. Two horses working together in a race can usually take down a single horse: one duels while the other drafts. I feel for Mohegan Sky. She was too close to the pace last out and had to run harder than necessary. And, inexplicably, she was too close today; and ran her ass off. It can't be the case that she was the rabbit for Silver Timber. Any way you cut it, Silver Timber is supposed to GO. Oh wait, Cornelio was up. And, we've already established that he has no sense of 'ENTRY'. Clueless trainer; clueless jockey; result: A LOSS.

Game is hard when the connections can't get together.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

This is where understanding the concept BEHIND 'ENTRY' comes into play. I mean you can understand how to go about running an entry but you also need to grasp the concept. Penna understood it in the 5th, and won the race. Yesterday, DONK didn't understand it, and lost the race. 2 weeks ago, Cornelio (and Mott) failed to grasp it, and it cost them a win as well.

You can't honestly think the pace cost Spurred the race? He didn't run a step and the winner was winning no matter what. The second horse was the one hurt the most by the pace.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You can't honestly think the pace cost Spurred the race? He didn't run a step and the winner was winning no matter what. The second horse was the one hurt the most by the pace.

I'm basing this on a single viewing of the race but I do, actually, think that Spurred had absolutely NO shot given the way the race played out. Look at the chart: he's the only horse gaining the first three splits; the last of which gutted him. He was forced to run at the worst point in the race; and he was wide.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

This is where understanding the concept BEHIND 'ENTRY' comes into play. I mean you can understand how to go about running an entry but you also need to grasp the concept. Penna understood it in the 5th, and won the race. Yesterday, DONK didn't understand it, and lost the race. 2 weeks ago, Cornelio (and Mott) failed to grasp it, and it cost them a win as well.

If Linda Rice took a look at the form, she'd realize that FD was the lone speed. She would thus realize that she'd have to 'sacrifice' one of her horses. Two horses working together in a race can usually take down a single horse: one duels while the other drafts. I feel for Mohegan Sky. She was too close to the pace last out and had to run harder than necessary. And, inexplicably, she was too close today; and ran her ass off. It can't be the case that she was the rabbit for Silver Timber. Any way you cut it, Silver Timber is supposed to GO. Oh wait, Cornelio was up. And, we've already established that he has no sense of 'ENTRY'. Clueless trainer; clueless jockey; result: A LOSS.

Game is hard when the connections can't get together.

How exactly does Linda Rice decide to do this? She has two horses, owned by different owners who probably put up at least $1500 to run. They finished noses apart about a month ago and are now entered in the richest turf sprint of the year in New York. With a limited number of starts per year, I seriously doubt that either owner would be willing to sacrifice his horse for the other. If they were owned by the same connections, that would be one thing, but in this case they weren't, suggesting that this post was clueless.