REAL HORSE meeting Good For Nothing Turf Sprinters

[SOREHOOF]

I think the 9 True To Tradition has a good shot. 1'st D has a dirt class edge, if that transfers to turf he'll be tough. Can't take the low odds though. I see him getting gobbled up in the stretch and hear the splashing of the bridge jumpers! I'll play a 4-9 exacta box. and a 4,9-1,3,5,6-4,9 tri.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Seems as if quite a few here look down upon turf horses, and turf sprinters in particular. Tomorrow, a 'real horse', First Defence, gets to show some no good turf sprinters what racing is all about. No Commentators in here.

Hopefully this stays on the turf.

Let's whip on those NY breds.

Forecast seems benign did Belmont see significant rain last night that would be expected to take races off the turf today?

Happy Father's Day to those who have the blessing of children.

[blackthroatedwind]

We had some pretty substantial thunderstorms.

Races 5, 7 and 10 are off the turf.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

We had some pretty substantial thunderstorms.

Races 5, 7 and 10 are off the turf.

What next? Oh I know. My mom's gunna sucker punch me by making me talk on the phone to relatives that I wish were in the ground 5 years ago.

[the_fat_man]

This is a 'seminal' race of sorts. We have an acknowledged 'very good' dirt horse meeting good turf sprinters on their surface. A horse that ran with Commentator early last out in insane fractions facing a bunch on NY breds and a mare. I'm very interested in seeing how FD runs, as I'm not convinced, as many are, that turf sprinters are no talent bums. Unfortunately, the field is not of the caliber, relatively, that FD is, and the course is off. He's supposed to be beat this field but I don't know if that will reveal much, if anything.

I hope, that we see more of these types of races in the future, between the better quality horses of each surface. As noted previously, I wish English Colony were in the race.

[ArlJim78]

the first post calls them "no good" turf sprinters, now they have suddenly become "good" turf sprinters.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

the first post calls them "no good" turf sprinters, now they have suddenly become "good" turf sprinters.

I really need to tone is down a bit here. I'm assuming a reasonable intellect level. My bad.

Hard to believe that my intent is so completely MISunderstood. This is not about me TOUTING a horse. Nor is there an inconsistency in my comments. It's in response to a recent claim that turf sprinters are basically USELESS; by someone on this forum. Thus, the original post is from that perspective; the perspective that DIRT horses are superior out of hand.

And here we have a higher quality dirt horse facing good turf sprinters.

That this field is 'good', is MY assessment.

GET IT?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I really need to tone is down a bit here. I'm assuming a reasonable intellect level. My bad.

Hard to believe that my intent is so completely MISunderstood. This is not about me TOUTING a horse. Nor is there an inconsistency in my comments. It's in response to a recent claim that turf sprinters are basically USELESS; by someone on this forum. Thus, the original post is from that perspective; the perspective that DIRT horses are superior out of hand.

And here we have a higher quality dirt horse facing good turf sprinters.

That this field is 'good', is MY assessment.

GET IT?

What you're really doing is proving my point.....First Defence has proven that he cannot compete effectively at a high level on the dirt so Frankel is now taking the next step. I know, you can argue First Defence is better than I am saying, and I don't disagree, but in the overall scheme of things he's been a failure.

Now, the BC turf sprint probably facilitated his move to turf sprints, so that's good, but the bottom line is that if he were good enough to succeed in major dirt sprints he wouldn't be in here.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What you're really doing is proving my point.....First Defence has proven that he cannot compete effectively at a high level on the dirt so Frankel is now taking the next step. I know, you can argue First Defence is better than I am saying, and I don't disagree, but in the overall scheme of things he's been a failure.

Now, the BC turf sprint probably facilitated his move to turf sprints, so that's good, but the bottom line is that if he were good enough to succeed in major dirt sprints he wouldn't be in here.

You know that I think this horse is a PUNK. I've stated this previously. But, he's still one of the better sprinters out there. You can't argue that. And today, we see that he needs EVERY INCH of a pace advantage to beat a 'good' field. He gets CRUSHED in an honest race or a better field.

One way of looking at it is that he's here, with the 'losers', because he's failed
in the grander arena. Another might be: maybe the losers aren't that bad after all at their game.