6/14 (CD): Stephen Foster Day

[jcs11204]

time to be serious....
what are curlins plans, i asked this last week ? is the arc in the plans, i think i read, they wont go to the BCC because of the surface, so why not the Arc ?

[The Bid]

Has anyone heard anything from the loudmouths over at IEAH? Its pretty obvious who walks softly and carries the big stick. Hopefully Big Brown makes it into a starting gate with Curlin, he may learn something

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Has anyone heard anything from the loudmouths over at IEAH? Its pretty obvious who walks softly and carries the big stick. Hopefully Big Brown makes it into a starting gate with Curlin, he may learn something

even if big brown runs again... he will never ever EVER EVER EVER EVer EVER EVER EVER, run against curlin....

IEAH WOULD NEVER DO THAT TO THE POOR HORSE. i doubt they even think big brown could run with curlin

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Has anyone heard anything from the loudmouths over at IEAH? Its pretty obvious who walks softly and carries the big stick. Hopefully Big Brown makes it into a starting gate with Curlin, he may learn something

I'd imagine a War Emblem-type end to his career. First, a paid public workout doubling as a "return to glory" in cahoots with some publicity-hungry track (Suffolk, Arlington, Monmouth?) in a preconceived setup of a race ala the '02 Haskell followed by a definitive failure to achieve "greatness" when getting bounced around and crushed in the BC Classic after finally facing a quality-laden field.

The icing on the cake will be if his owners' narcissistic greed get the better of them after a BC loss and, desperate to get a win versus his elders, further humiliate him in the Cigar Mile, the way Coronado's Quest's connections (ie the evil Claiborne Farm junta) exposed his rather modest capabilities (not that he couldn't have improved from 3 to 4) in the final 3 races of his career.

Or he'll just never run again...

[The Bid]

I cant wait to see what those buffoons do

[CSC]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

time to be serious....
what are curlins plans, i asked this last week ? is the arc in the plans, i think i read, they wont go to the BCC because of the surface, so why not the Arc ?

Asmussen was quoted saying he wants Curlin's next start to be on turf, either The Man O War, Arlington, or Woodbine...essentially to see if the target of the PRIX DE'LARC DE TRIOMPHE is a feasible one.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by CSC

Asmussen was quoted saying he wants Curlin's next start to be on turf, either The Man O War, Arlington, or Woodbine...essentially to see if the target of the PRIX DE'LARC DE TRIOMPHE is a feasible one.

Well, here's hoping he takes to the turf as well as the 1973 winner of the Man O' War did. There's never been an American winner of the Arc, has there?

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Well, here's hoping he takes to the turf as well as the 1973 winner of the Man O' War did. There's never been an American winner of the Arc, has there?

North American-breds, yes, several times. North American-trained, no, mainly because it has rarely been tried, if at all. Longchamps, the track where the Arc is run, is a horseshoe-shaped RIGHT-handed track, which is the biggest hurdle for US-types, along with the soft ground that so often turns up for the Arc. US-raced horses never have to turn right-handed at speed, they have never developed the muscles or flexibility on that side (unlike Euro-horses) and would be running with a major disadvantage.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

North American-breds, yes, several times. North American-trained, no, mainly because it has rarely been tried, if at all. Longchamps, the track where the Arc is run, is a horseshoe-shaped RIGHT-handed track, which is the biggest hurdle for US-types, along with the soft ground that so often turns up for the Arc. US-raced horses never have to turn right-handed at speed, they have never developed the muscles or flexibility on that side (unlike Euro-horses) and would be running with a major disadvantage.

Looks like they're discussing trying it:


http://racing.bloodhorse.com/article/45743.htm

Thanks for the post, PA- who were some of the American-bred winners and did any of them race in the US or were their careers entirely overseas?

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

North American-breds, yes, several times. North American-trained, no, mainly because it has rarely been tried, if at all. Longchamps, the track where the Arc is run, is a horseshoe-shaped RIGHT-handed track, which is the biggest hurdle for US-types, along with the soft ground that so often turns up for the Arc. US-raced horses never have to turn right-handed at speed, they have never developed the muscles or flexibility on that side (unlike Euro-horses) and would be running with a major disadvantage.

Melbourne based horses float over and go the Sydney way with success all of the time.

The biggest hurdle for US types is their inferiority, not the layout at Longchamp.

The only horse that I can recall who absolutely detested going right handed is Vroom Vroom from the David Hayes stable a couple of years back. He has since died of a heart attack, but that horse was a terror going left-handed, and absolutely useless going right handed.

Vroom Vroom dies during trackwork

Monday, 28 August 2006:

David Hayes lost one of his main Cox Plate hopes when Vroom Vroom suffered a massive haemorrhage during trackwork at Lindsay Park on Monday and died.

"He wasn't working particularly fast either," Hayes said of the bold frontrunning imported six-year-old.

"He didn't drop but gradually slowed down, collapsed and died.

"He was one of my main Cox Plate hopes."

Vroom Vroom was a Group One winner of the Argentine Guineas and had won three of his first four starts in Argentina before being sent to Hayes in Hong Kong.

He failed to adapt to the right-handed direction of racing there, being placed just once in nine Hong Kong starts.

Hayes brought him to Melbourne where he excelled the left-handed way, winning four races including the Listed Auckland Racing Club Stakes (1600m) at Flemington.

The gelding ran third to Our Smoking Joe in the St George Stakes (1800m) at Caulfield and a close fourth to Roman Arch in the Australian Cup (2000m) at Flemington.

Vroom Vroom hadn't raced since finishing fourth to Cosmo Bulk in the Singapore International Cup (2000m) at Kranji on May 14.

He was due to resume in Adelaide on Saturday week.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Scurlogue Champ

The biggest hurdle for US types is their inferiority, not the layout at Longchamp.

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This is stupid. To suggest that a US horse would not be at a distinct disadvantge running at Longchamp is insane. The thought that US horses are inferior to foreign horses is silly and simply not true.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

in turf races?

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is stupid. To suggest that a US horse would not be at a distinct disadvantge running at Longchamp is insane. The thought that US horses are inferior to foreign horses is silly and simply not true.

Our top class grass horses are inferior to top class European horses on the turf. Not even a contest.

That's like saying our sprinters in the Olympics aren't superior to the Polish 100 meter runners.

Different ballgame

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is stupid. To suggest that a US horse would not be at a distinct disadvantge running at Longchamp is insane. The thought that US horses are inferior to foreign horses is silly and simply not true.

HOW ARE YOU TONIGHT ?