Dedumbeaux's Ride

[Scav]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I think analyzing the ride is much ado about nothing.

You knew going into the race the other jocks would have a bullseye on BB's back.

You knew going in that Da Tara was going to make the lead - and KJD isn't stupid enough to hook a 40/1 longshot with a horse that has rated kindly and unleashed huge turn moves in both of the first two legs of the triple crown.

You knew going in that the ruthless Eibar Coa was riding Tale Of Ekati - who has tactical speed, was drawn outside of BB, and was obviously going to race ride BB.

In hindsight - the best strategy would have been a seemingly incredibly insane strategy going into the race. It would be for Kent to pull a page from the Ramon Dominguez playbook and stay glued to the rail. The rail was good enough - see Forefathers performance - and as it turned out ... Da Tara was clearly more horse than Tale of Ekati, which means Big Brown would have got out of the box if he had more horse than ToE.

However, Big Brown had no horse so all this doesn't matter.

Forefathers performance was not because of a decent rail, he got an unbelievable trip and was the best horse number wise

[slotdirt]

Just FWIW, note Billy Turner's comments on page two of this article:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...9s.html?page=1

But at least one trainer believes the public was short-changed in this Belmont.

Billy Turner is the last living trainer of a Triple Crown winner, Seattle Slew in 1977. Early last week, Turner called Big Brown "a really good horse" who had "the best chance of winning the Triple Crown" since Spectacular Bid came up short in the '79 Belmont. "When the horse has the ability Big Brown does, his talent will make sure he gets the mile and a half."

It turns out that Big Brown covered less than a mile at full speed and Turner isn't satisfied with the various non-explanations. He's throwing his darts at the jockey.

"If the horse bobbled, fine, pull him up," Turner said. "But there was no bobble, no misstep. It was a disaster, the ride was a disaster from the start."

It occurred to one writer that Turner might have been describing the night Roberto Duran called out "no mas" and abandoned his fight against Ray Leonard, who was beating him badly. "A good analogy," the trainer said. "That's exactly what happened." The jockey "was going to be embarrassed, so he decided to pull the horse up. The ride was a disaster, a disaster from the start. In the '60s, '70s, '80s, the stewards would have told (Desormeaux) to leave New York and not come back."

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Just FWIW, note Billy Turner's comments on page two of this article:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...9s.html?page=1

But at least one trainer believes the public was short-changed in this Belmont.

Billy Turner is the last living trainer of a Triple Crown winner, Seattle Slew in 1977. Early last week, Turner called Big Brown "a really good horse" who had "the best chance of winning the Triple Crown" since Spectacular Bid came up short in the '79 Belmont. "When the horse has the ability Big Brown does, his talent will make sure he gets the mile and a half."

It turns out that Big Brown covered less than a mile at full speed and Turner isn't satisfied with the various non-explanations. He's throwing his darts at the jockey.

"If the horse bobbled, fine, pull him up," Turner said. "But there was no bobble, no misstep. It was a disaster, the ride was a disaster from the start."

It occurred to one writer that Turner might have been describing the night Roberto Duran called out "no mas" and abandoned his fight against Ray Leonard, who was beating him badly. "A good analogy," the trainer said. "That's exactly what happened." The jockey "was going to be embarrassed, so he decided to pull the horse up. The ride was a disaster, a disaster from the start. In the '60s, '70s, '80s, the stewards would have told (Desormeaux) to leave New York and not come back."

Gee, that sounds familiar. Which one of our resident experts will be the first to step up and say Turner is not knowledgeable about the game?

[blackthroatedwind]

Dutrow opened the door for other trainers to speak freely. It works both ways.

[ELA]

I might not agree with Turner's comments, but I certainly would listen to them as coming from someone qualified. I also very much agree with Andy's comments, it certainly cuts both ways. Dutrow opened the door and I don't see him ducking from the darts.

I am not going to buy into the "Kent has always had a reputation for not riding out" and that line of thinking. The guy is a professional and this is the Belmont Stakes. This was not a case of not riding out for 3rd, 4th, or a stakes placing. Different situation.

Could Turner be right? Absolutely. OTOH, is it possible that Kent felt, saw, experienced something that Turner didn't or could not have? Absolutely. Could it be something in between? Same answer. Anyway, the race is over. What's done is done and people and their opinion will land where they land.

Eric

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by ELA

I might not agree with Turner's comments, but I certainly would listen to them as coming from someone qualified. I also very much agree with Andy's comments, it certainly cuts both ways. Dutrow opened the door and I don't see him ducking from the darts.

I am not going to buy into the "Kent has always had a reputation for not riding out" and that line of thinking. The guy is a professional and this is the Belmont Stakes. This was not a case of not riding out for 3rd, 4th, or a stakes placing. Different situation.

Could Turner be right? Absolutely. OTOH, is it possible that Kent felt, saw, experienced something that Turner didn't or could not have? Absolutely. Could it be something in between? Same answer. Anyway, the race is over. What's done is done and people and their opinion will land where they land.

Eric

Then don't buy it. I'm not selling it but it isn't a new critique of Kenny. They call him "Sleepy" for his many non-rides where he misjudges what the horse has left and stops riding. Please, they use a film of one of his rides in McCarrons jockey school in Ky as an example of how much it costs owners, trainers, etc when a rider doesn't ride a horse out. Capote's Crown, 4th in a grade 1. Missed third by a nose and the photo shows Kenny standing up on the horse. BB was not on his game but, please tell me where Funny Cide would have finished in the Jockey Club Gold Cup a few years ago, which he won, if Kenny was on him.