America's first Black President

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

I am pleased to introduce the next president of the United States of America....................YOOOOO MAMMMMMAAAAAAA. I just hope he has a plan to back up his B.S.

i could care less. if he backs up 1/3 of it we will be better off.

[2Hot4TV]

I'm hoping they quit printing money and we go back to the Carter years when you could get some intrest on your cash.

[The Bid]

McCain isnt much but he will get my vote.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by The Bid

McCain isnt much but he will get my vote.

he'll get mine too. IF i had to pick between those two Democrats i'd probably not vote.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

he'll get mine too. IF i had to pick between those two Democrats i'd probably not vote.

but Darren..honestly..would you ever vote for a Dem?
As mentioned above, considering what we have had in the past, these are pretty good choices for both sides, IMO

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by GBBob

but Darren..honestly..would you ever vote for a Dem?
As mentioned above, considering what we have had in the past, these are pretty good choices for both sides, IMO

Bob, that avatar never gets old.

I read your post and then I find myself looking up at that photo and chuckling....every time.

Pure internet gold.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Bob, that avatar never gets old.

I read your post and then I find myself looking up at that photo and chuckling....every time.

Pure internet gold.

thnx Bigs..It seves it's purpose by distracting the reader from the drivel I often write..

and for that..I will be eternally grateful to....

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[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by GBBob

but Darren..honestly..would you ever vote for a Dem?
As mentioned above, considering what we have had in the past, these are pretty good choices for both sides, IMO

it would depend on who. a dem like harold ford i could vote for.
guess i'm a strange one, i registered republican when i was 18 (only rep. in the family) and for the most part always voted republican. i've worked for the city and been a union member for 20 yrs. and i can't buy into the union line of voting for the dems.

[TheSpyder]

I'm looking forward to the debates. I think they will be very interesting for the first time in many years. Debates with Bush were almost laughable, correction...they were very laughable. It will be nice to see two intellegent people up there swinging away...and that is where the election will be won or lost. This county is fu*ked up, the one that gives hope...instead of the last eight years of fear will win. Not sure who I will vote for because I'm proud to not be a Dem or a Rep.

Spyder

[GBBob]

[quote=DaHoss9698]That seems to be one of the big differences IMO between the Dems and Republicans. I know more than a few Hillary supporters that will not vote for Obama. But a lot of Republicans I know vote blindly for every Republican candidate, no matter who they are, what they stand for. I'm not saying every single Republican is like that, but they do seem to be a more loyal group than the Dems.


I'm not sure I get that, especially those that supported Hilary and now say they will vote for McCain instead. Weren't Obama's and Clinton's platforms generally the same? They are identical in social issues, very close fiscally and I think the things they disagreed about in the campaign were more of a need to have talking points than a real difference in policy. I can understand if you are a conservative and not voting for Obama, but I'm curious why a liberal who supported Hilary won't support Obama?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

carter said it would be the worst thing possible if hillary was vp...i tend to agree......

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

That seems to be one of the big differences IMO between the Dems and Republicans. I know more than a few Hillary supporters that will not vote for Obama. But a lot of Republicans I know vote blindly for every Republican candidate, no matter who they are, what they stand for. I'm not saying every single Republican is like that, but they do seem to be a more loyal group than the Dems.

In 2004 I can remember having a discussion with this idiot I work with. He kept going on and on about what a bad job he thought Bush was doing, etc. So after a few minutes I asked him if he planned on voting for him that November. Without hesitation he said of course. I was dumbfounded. I asked why and he said, I'm a Republican, I vote for my party. Then I asked him if he would vote for a Republican candidate whose platform was based on killing babies. His answer, of course, I'm a Republican, I vote for my party. It was eye opening to say the least.

Totally agree. The "pull one lever and you vote for one party"
was intended for Republicans.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by The Bid

McCain isnt much but he will get my vote.

My sentiments exactly.

[dylbert]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

I'm hoping they quit printing money and we go back to the Carter years when you could get some intrest on your cash.

If this is sarcasm, it is extremely funny. If this is not, it is extremely pathetic.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dylbert

If this is sarcasm, it is extremely funny. If this is not, it is extremely pathetic.

i think it's just part of the national malaise.

[dylbert]

This election is already shaping up as battle for four states: Florida, Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. Each of the other large states is decidely pro-McCain or pro-Obama. Also, many of the states that are leaning for one particular candidate seem nearly destined for that presidential hopeful.

Some facts:

1. the 92% or so of African-Americans that vote Democrat will vote Obama (neutral for Obama)
2. educated liberal white females will feel disinfranchised and may post lower turnout in November election (bad for Obama)
3. less-educated white males do not identify with Obama who is successful, liberal, well-educated, wealthy African-American male. Floyd R. Turbo ain't pulling donkey lever come November (bad for Obama)
4. conservatives must choose between lesser-of-two-evil liberal candidates -- who will "hurt" my pocketbook less (good for McCain based on his lengthy voting record)
5. Hispanics seem split between pro-entrepreneur (conservative) and pro-government (liberal) (neutral with no advantage to either candidate)

These next months will be filled with campaigning, pundits, advertising and telephone calls seeking support and money for millions of Americans.

Historical observation: US voters have elected three members of Congress to serve as their president: Garfield, Harding, and Kennedy. None lived to complete his term with two being assassinated. While Harding had what most historians agree as the most corrupt presidency ever. History does not suggest that either McCain or Obama will offer great leadership and, therefore, will serve only one term.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dylbert

This election is already shaping up as battle for four states: Florida, Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. Each of the other large states is decidely pro-McCain or pro-Obama. Also, many of the states that are leaning for one particular candidate seem nearly destined for that presidential hopeful.

Some facts:

1. the 92% or so of African-Americans that vote Democrat will vote Obama (neutral for Obama)
2. educated liberal white females will feel disinfranchised and may post lower turnout in November election (bad for Obama)
3. less-educated white males do not identify with Obama who is successful, liberal, well-educated, wealthy African-American male. Floyd R. Turbo ain't pulling donkey lever come November (bad for Obama)
4. conservatives must choose between lesser-of-two-evil liberal candidates -- who will "hurt" my pocketbook less (good for McCain based on his lengthy voting record)
5. Hispanics seem split between pro-entrepreneur (conservative) and pro-government (liberal) (neutral with no advantage to either candidate)

These next months will be filled with campaigning, pundits, advertising and telephone calls seeking support and money for millions of Americans.

Historical observation: US voters have elected three members of Congress to serve as their president: Garfield, Harding, and Kennedy. None lived to complete his term with two being assassinated. While Harding had what most historians agree as the most corrupt presidency ever. History does not suggest that either McCain or Obama will offer great leadership and, therefore, will serve only one term.

the concept that mccain will put pennsyvania (which went for kerry by 2.5%) in play is much less plausible than one where ohio (which went for bush by 2.1%) is in play. the climate is far different than 2004. and obama won't have the money problems mccain will.

they're both one of 12-15 swing states, not 4. small states are overweighted in the electoral college. new mexico, colorado and nevada have 19 electoral college votes between them and all went for bush by small margins in 2004. ohio has 20.

if the economy stays in the tank, obama could win a landslide. he won't need the unpopular war.

if the economy improves, he still has the unpopular war.

i think your analysis misses the larger trends going on.

Originally Posted by dylbert

This election is already shaping up as battle for four states: Florida, Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. Each of the other large states is decidely pro-McCain or pro-Obama. Also, many of the states that are leaning for one particular candidate seem nearly destined for that presidential hopeful.

Some facts:

1. the 92% or so of African-Americans that vote Democrat will vote Obama (neutral for Obama)
2. educated liberal white females will feel disinfranchised and may post lower turnout in November election (bad for Obama)
3. less-educated white males do not identify with Obama who is successful, liberal, well-educated, wealthy African-American male. Floyd R. Turbo ain't pulling donkey lever come November (bad for Obama)
4. conservatives must choose between lesser-of-two-evil liberal candidates -- who will "hurt" my pocketbook less (good for McCain based on his lengthy voting record)
5. Hispanics seem split between pro-entrepreneur (conservative) and pro-government (liberal) (neutral with no advantage to either candidate)

These next months will be filled with campaigning, pundits, advertising and telephone calls seeking support and money for millions of Americans.

Historical observation: US voters have elected three members of Congress to serve as their president: Garfield, Harding, and Kennedy. None lived to complete his term with two being assassinated. While Harding had what most historians agree as the most corrupt presidency ever. History does not suggest that either McCain or Obama will offer great leadership and, therefore, will serve only one term.

Numero cinco:

Slight advantage McCain. Military background is important to Hispanic voters. At least where I live. Obama might have had a slight chance to win Texas and seal the deal if Hispanics came out with the same fervor as blacks for Obama. But they will not.

As an aside and something fairly strange. I get the feeling Hispanic voters have a... dont know quite how to put it...

"Why dont we get as much minority representation as Blacks."
There is some tension. The governor of New Mexico came out for Obama very early to try and smooth this over but it will not work imo.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Numero cinco:

Slight advantage McCain. Military background is important to Hispanic voters. At least where I live. Obama might have had a slight chance to win Texas and seal the deal if Hispanics came out with the same fervor as blacks for Obama. But they will not.

As an aside and something fairly strange. I get the feeling Hispanic voters have a... dont know quite how to put it...

"Why dont we get as much minority representation as Blacks."
There is some tension. The governor of New Mexico came out for Obama very early to try and smooth this over but it will not work imo.

Even if he chooses Richardson as his VP, which is what I am hoping for

Originally Posted by GBBob

Even if he chooses Richardson as his VP, which is what I am hoping for

In the Democratic primary here, Hispanics came out in very large numbers. More Hispanic females than I have ever witnessed. All Hillary. This large voting block does not come back to the polls for Obama.

Imo God is correct. The hanging with Iraq is the giant weight on McCain. That, and Obama will bring out more younger voters than ever before. I think this race easily brings over 60% of eligible voters. It might hit 70%. Thats a win for Obama.

Still way early.