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Old 05-22-2008, 06:55 PM
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The 2003 BC at SA was in 95 degree heat and fires all around LA area

The 2007 BC @ Monmouth was 55 degrees and rain all around NJ

BC @ Belmont has never been higher than the low 50's, with a northern breeze it always felt colder.

Perhaps a change of time in the year for the BC?..........or just pick your poison for a venue.
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Old 05-22-2008, 07:02 PM
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curlin can run on broken glass and win........
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Old 05-22-2008, 07:59 PM
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As a good as Curlin ran in the JCGC, BC Classic and DWC, one could argue that he beat a horse who peaked at Saratoga (Lawyer Ron) and was regrsssing when he ran in the JCGC. Curlin clearly relished the slop at Monmouth but the runner up's only win at 1 1/8 or more was a race on Polytrack at Turfway. The Dubai Classic was weak and he beat a bunch of slow horses in that race.


Is Curlin a very good horse? Yes!! He has proved on the track that he is a good horse. He's the best older horse dirt distance runner still in training. Is he unbeatable? No.
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:04 PM
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As a good as Curlin ran in the JCGC, BC Classic and DWC, one could argue that he beat a horse who peaked at Saratoga (Lawyer Ron) and was regrsssing when he ran in the JCGC. Curlin clearly relished the slop at Monmouth but the runner up's only win at 1 1/8 or more was a race on Polytrack at Turfway. The Dubai Classic was weak and he beat a bunch of slow horses in that race.


Is Curlin a very good horse? Yes!! He has proved on the track that he is a good horse. He's the best older horse dirt distance runner still in training. Is he unbeatable? No.
nice try, but i'm not buying any of it. if he's beatable then let me know who it is that can do it.
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:07 PM
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nice try, but i'm not buying any of it. if he's beatable then let me know who it is that can do it.
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:16 PM
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Heatseeker.

That surface is a complete joke.
nfw does heatseeker touch Curlin even at SA.
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:26 PM
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nice try, but i'm not buying any of it. if he's beatable then let me know who it is that can do it.
Curlin is a very good horse. He's the best horse in training. That being said he's not unbeatable. Upsets do happen. I just posted a contrarian outlook on his last three major victories. The history books of horse racing and other sports are filled with "unbeatable" competitors who were defeated. I'm not going off the deep end and saying he will lose his next race. It's just that the one thing I've noticed is when the conventional wisdom says something is a sure thing, a lot of times the opposite occurs.
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Old 05-24-2008, 03:42 AM
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As a good as Curlin ran in the JCGC, BC Classic and DWC, one could argue that he beat a horse who peaked at Saratoga (Lawyer Ron) and was regrsssing when he ran in the JCGC. Curlin clearly relished the slop at Monmouth but the runner up's only win at 1 1/8 or more was a race on Polytrack at Turfway. The Dubai Classic was weak and he beat a bunch of slow horses in that race.


Is Curlin a very good horse? Yes!! He has proved on the track that he is a good horse. He's the best older horse dirt distance runner still in training. Is he unbeatable? No.
I think this is absolutely true and very similar to Big Brown this year. Curlin and BB are both helped by the fact that there is no competition out there for them. Both are very good horses but both are probably a little overrated. Curlin might just be unbeatable this year because there is nothing out there but he's not so good that he's an unbeatable horse, if that makes any sense. Remember, this is a horse that ran third in the Derby, won the Preakness by a nose, lost the Belmont, and was third in the Haskell. So obviously, when he faces other good horses, he can be beaten. He's good but he's no superhorse.
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Its solved, ask Sumitas
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