churchill/calder cut purses

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Unless they cut purses, this is the equivalent of being paid while on strike.I have no problem with them striking,but getting full purse money while doing it is one of the oddest things I have ever heard of.

Dude, we dont work for them. The money that they pay out in purses isn't their money. By contract it is our money. They pay based on projections. If they handle more than projected, they raise purses, if less, they cut them. It is rare that a 2% decrease in handle (derby day) leads to a 20% purse cut.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dude, we dont work for them. The money that they pay out in purses isn't their money. By contract it is our money. They pay based on projections. If they handle more than projected, they raise purses, if less, they cut them. It is rare that a 2% decrease in handle (derby day) leads to a 20% purse cut.

You're asking for people to be inconvenienced for your own personal financial reasons. That's what people on strike do, but don't expect to get your regular purse while doing it. How the hell would it ever get solved if you didn't have a reason to want to negotiate? Obviously your group inconvenienced people in order to get what you want. The people who would have bet may have lost interest in the product.They may have started betting other tracks or bet sports other than racing. That's hard to put a value on (longterm loss.) Are you saying the Florida Horseman should have to take the cut in purses, but not the Kentucky horsemen? There is no way you can do this without hurting the other people involved (track,state, bettors.) It's a strike. Hasn't their stock gone down some? You've inconvenienced the other 2 parties involved, and hurt the overall product by driving people away from it(to find another product.) I think you should have the right to do it, but I don't think you should expect to be paid as usual. If members of your group start leaving for better purse somewhere, then they will have to start cancelling racing. Again, like in other strike situations. This really is a strike (it's just that the strikers don't want the resulting reduction in wages.) I don't think you're better than anyone else striking for more money. You want what you want. So, you should have to take the temporary financial hit (like anyone else would have to endure.)

[MISTERGEE]

just out of curiousity how do they cut the purses of the stakes races which in the condition book will say guaranteed money, for example CRC has some overnight stakes which had $55,000 "guaranteed" purse onoly to be dropped to $36,000?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

just out of curiousity how do they cut the purses of the stakes races which in the condition book will say guaranteed money, for example CRC has some overnight stakes which had $55,000 "guaranteed" purse onoly to be dropped to $36,000?

Obviously the word guarantee doesnt mean much anymore. I sent a package out last week that was guaranteed by UPS to be somewhere at 10am the next day. It wasnt there on time. No refunds either.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Obviously the word guarantee doesnt mean much anymore. I sent a package out last week that was guaranteed by UPS to be somewhere at 10am the next day. It wasnt there on time. No refunds either.

UPS is appearing in far too many threads these days.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Obviously the word guarantee doesnt mean much anymore. I sent a package out last week that was guaranteed by UPS to be somewhere at 10am the next day. It wasnt there on time. No refunds either.

OBLIGATORY LAME UPS/BIG BROWN JOKES:

-Maybe the driver had to break from post 20.

-I guess the early pace was slower than expected.

-Perhaps the driver had a wide trip.

-I'll bet they still beat Monba.

[MISTERGEE]

i understand that these are the days of incompetence but do they have a legal leg to stand on or some loophole somewhere that says guarantee is just a "saying"

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You're asking for people to be inconvenienced for your own personal financial reasons. That's what people on strike do, but don't expect to get your regular purse while doing it. How the hell would it ever get solved if you didn't have a reason to want to negotiate? Obviously your group inconvenienced people in order to get what you want. The people who would have bet may have lost interest in the product.They may have started betting other tracks or bet sports other than racing. That's hard to put a value on (longterm loss.) Are you saying the Florida Horseman should have to take the cut in purses, but not the Kentucky horsemen? There is no way you can do this without hurting the other people involved (track,state, bettors.) It's a strike. Hasn't their stock gone down some? You've inconvenienced the other 2 parties involved, and hurt the overall product by driving people away from it(to find another product.) I think you should have the right to do it, but I don't think you should expect to be paid as usual. If members of your group start leaving for better purse somewhere, then they will have to start cancelling racing. Again, like in other strike situations. This really is a strike (it's just that the strikers don't want the resulting reduction in wages.) I don't think you're better than anyone else striking for more money. You want what you want. So, you should have to take the temporary financial hit (like anyone else would have to endure.)

Do you work for CDI? Because you make about as much sense as they do. Purses arent rewards. They are our share taken from the handle. The horseman are using their rights as stated by the LAW in blocking signals as a tactic in negotiating just as CD is using the cutting of purses. The difference is if CD cuts purses too drastically where there is an underpayment based upon our contractual %, they have to make up the difference (i.e. raise the purses) eventually.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do you work for CDI? Because you make about as much sense as they do. Purses arent rewards. They are our share taken from the handle. The horseman are using their rights as stated by the LAW in blocking signals as a tactic in negotiating just as CD is using the cutting of purses. The difference is if CD cuts purses too drastically where there is an underpayment based upon our contractual %, they have to make up the difference (i.e. raise the purses) eventually.

So,you can't stop them from cutting purses,right? Unless you stop entering horses,right? Why have the discussion then? I would certainly expect them to want to delay paying people that are keeping some of their customers from betting. I don't think it makes sense for trainers etc. to think a track is gunna keep paying them the same purses while they block internet players. How does that make any sense? Just take your hit like anybody else that wants to strike. Hit your buddy Andruw Jones up for a loan.

[BillW]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dude, we dont work for them. The money that they pay out in purses isn't their money. By contract it is our money. They pay based on projections. If they handle more than projected, they raise purses, if less, they cut them. It is rare that a 2% decrease in handle (derby day) leads to a 20% purse cut.

Since the dispute is with the tracks and not the players, why not withhold horses from the tracks rather than go after the players?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by BillW

Since the dispute is with the tracks and not the players, why not withhold horses from the tracks rather than go after the players?

LOL...They want to get paid while also being on strike. This is the way to do that. For internet players,they've shut down Churchill. Can't legally bet Churchill. They've chosen to f over a few bettors,and leave the others alone. It's a chickenshit way of having a strike. They obviously think most internet players have the attention span of a flea (and will return to play Churchill.) We (for sure) aren't being treated like their customers. I'd say they are treating us like their bitch.