Art Wilson: Cali perspective (with Shirreffs, Stute)

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I won't bother with another response.

You get one more and then I am out of smiles or whatever they are called

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Scav

I'm through now with it. I have a show to put together yet.

[sumitas]

Data gathering is in process and as Linny stated, many injuries are never reported because they are detected after a race or during a workout. I'm waiting for comprehensive data, although the rate for breakdowns has been quantified as lower on synth races than dirt. That's a start.

The industry is moving very slowly for full reporting on all on track injuries regardless of work outs or races. NJ has a great model where they can test for drugs anywhere, anyplace, anytime. Comprehensive data is needed and many fight that, of course. They've got the stakes purses cornered, they're making all the money now.

[Cannon Shell]

I am under no obligation to report injuries nor will I report them. For one, the fear of litigation if an "injured" horse were to ever breakdown in the future, I dont want ammunition for a creative laywer. Secondly it is no ones business except mine and the horses owner what the status of my horses are until they are entered in a race. Then they can perform any kind of check up or examination that they want. If they pass out of competition testing for illegal drugs I will willingly participate.

[ShadowRoll]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am under no obligation to report injuries nor will I report them. For one, the fear of litigation if an "injured" horse were to ever breakdown in the future, I dont want ammunition for a creative laywer. Secondly it is no ones business except mine and the horses owner what the status of my horses are until they are entered in a race. Then they can perform any kind of check up or examination that they want. If they pass out of competition testing for illegal drugs I will willingly participate.

WHAT??? YOU'RE HIDING INJURIES??? Hmmm...I need to make a note of that for future litigation purposes. (That creative enough for you?)

[Riot]

Originally Posted by ShadowRoll

WHAT??? YOU'RE HIDING INJURIES??? Hmmm...I need to make a note of that for future litigation purposes. (That creative enough for you?)

I think I saw Chuck wearing a band-aid this morning .... maybe.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ShadowRoll

WHAT??? YOU'RE HIDING INJURIES??? Hmmm...I need to make a note of that for future litigation purposes. (That creative enough for you?)

pretty much

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by sumitas

I'm waiting for comprehensive data, although the rate for breakdowns has been quantified as lower on synth races than dirt. That's a start.

care to explain this? If we're waiting for the comprehensive data, how is it that its already been quantified that the breakdown rate is lower on synth?
I haven't seen any real strong data on that yet.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

care to explain this? If we're waiting for the comprehensive data, how is it that its already been quantified that the breakdown rate is lower on synth?
I haven't seen any real strong data on that yet.

Jim,
O/T a bit but this is a very good read on synthetics. Owners, vets, breeders, jocks, track supers, trainers give thoughts. Pro and con. If nothing else, the leading ADW sire info is probably useful.

http://www.grayson-jockeyclub.org/ne...c_surfaces.pdf

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Jim,
O/T a bit but this is a very good read on synthetics. Owners, vets, breeders, jocks, track supers, trainers give thoughts. Pro and con. If nothing else, the leading ADW sire info is probably useful.

http://www.grayson-jockeyclub.org/ne...c_surfaces.pdf

thanks bruce, I already got that article. it was pretty good, lots of comments and fairly balanced.