What people are forgetting about Flower Alley

Originally Posted by whorstman

Same here, He seemed to be right w/ the pace most of the race and just got tired. He needs to be more fit. Sun King ran a very impressive race, Invasor was lucky to hang on.

Sun King has a problem winning races. That is 3 seconds in a row. Invasor knows how to win. That is 8 wins in 9 tries. Three grade 1 wins consecutively.

Hoist.. you bring up some good points. Maybe as fan we're jaded. Either way, my gutt says somethings amiss. I guess we'll find out and I truly hope you're right and im wrong.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

Sun King has a problem winning races. That is 3 seconds in a row. Invasor knows how to win. That is 8 wins in 9 tries. Three grade 1 wins consecutively.

He's another 2nd away from being a confirmed hanger.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

He's another 2nd away from being a confirmed hanger.

from the drf. I agree.

"Ah, Sun King. You never disappoint. You're the greatest tease in the thoroughbred game. You never do anything wrong per se. You're not a tail swisher, or an ill-behaved buffoon, but you just can't find that extra oomph to win the big ones. It’s a combination of the Perfect Drift ‘hang’ mentality with the fact that you’re facing good horses. After all, Invasor and Silver Train are quality Grade 1 winners.

You sat a good trip in the Whitney despite the outside post. Sure, you swung six wide turning for home, but you had every chance to pass them all in the lane. And you almost did just that. Every handicapper has one, or two, or three thousand horses that they are “married” to. I’m not going to divorce Sun King, but the sun is setting on his career, and the competition should only get tougher. That elusive Grade 1 victory may remain just out of his reach."

[slotdirt]

I don't think it's fair to say the sun is setting on Sun King's career. I mean, he's only four, and he certainly hasn't been unsound, has he?

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I don't think it's fair to say the sun is setting on Sun King's career. I mean, he's only four, and he certainly hasn't been unsound, has he?

I dont believe he has. I'll tell you what, if you ever doubt the quality of female family and its importance in a runner, look no further than Sun King's dam. She's quickly proving herself a stellar producer. Besides Sun King she's the dam of multiple G3 winner Ocean Drive, G1 winner Traitor, and is the granddam of G1 winner Peeping Tom, G2 winner AllamericanBertie, and G2 winner Hurricane Bertie.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Balletto

I dont believe he has. I'll tell you what, if you ever doubt the quality of female family and its importance in a runner, look no further than Sun King's dam. She's quickly proving herself a stellar producer. Besides Sun King she's the dam of multiple G3 winner Ocean Drive, G1 winner Traitor, and is the granddam of G1 winner Peeping Tom, G2 winner AllamericanBertie, and G2 winner Hurricane Bertie.

Peeping Tom...coming to a Penn National Gaming track near you!

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Peeping Tom...coming to a Penn National Gaming track near you!

haha

[Scav]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

He's another 2nd away from being a confirmed hanger.

Don't think you can consider him a hanger off of this performance, he was in front after the wire. He was MOVIN at the end, that isn't hanging in my opinion, I also think Invasor was dead tired at the end, Invasor has some SERIOUS fight in him, and lets keep in mind that while considered a 4 year old, he is a three old really. Southern Hemisphere breeding are a 'year' ahead, when they are really not, if they makes any sense

I am wondering how long until Candy Stripes starts coming to the states, if he hasn't already, there has been a ton of good strong gritty horses that have come to the US from him...

[randallscott35]

But Scavs, its the totality of his career, not one race. He doesn't seem to want to go by. No, he's not facing tin cans, that's true, but sometimes a spade is a spade.

[Scav]

Alright, I can see that point

Invasor is officially 4 years old. he was born August 3rd 2002

I know the January 1st rule, but still he has to still be developing, amazing horse

[EpBurns]

Can you say Cat thief, I am a firm believer that Sun King will be the best value in the Classic and win it!

Originally Posted by EpBurns

Can you say Cat thief, I am a firm believer that Sun King will be the best value in the Classic and win it!

I would bet he finishes second and perfect drift third.

Originally Posted by Scav

Alright, I can see that point

Invasor is officially 4 years old. he was born August 3rd 2002

I know the January 1st rule, but still he has to still be developing, amazing horse

Southern Hemisphere horses turn on August 1. Northern Hemisphere horses on January 1. His birthdate really doesn't mean anything except that he was born after August 1.

He is an excellent horse. He knows how to win.

[slotdirt]

Speaking of Candy, whatever happened to the infamous Candy Ride?

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

Southern Hemisphere horses turn on August 1. Northern Hemisphere horses on January 1. His birthdate really doesn't mean anything except that he was born after August 1..

Correction - Horses in former British possessions in the Southern Hemisphere (Australia, New Zealand, South Africa) turn a year older on 1 August each year. In South American countries, like Argentina, Brasil, Chile, etc., they turn a year older on the more logical 1 July.

The big thing about second-half 3yos from the SH who race in NA as 4yos (Jan to June) is that they don't get any weight concession for their lack of maturity. While winning the Pimlico Special, Invasor was actually a 3yo but was carrying weight appropriate for a 4yo. By the time of the Suburban in July, he was officially 4 in both SA and US, although not actually 4. So now his official age in both hemispheres and his actual age all correspond. How Lovely.

Originally Posted by Scav

Don't think you can consider him a hanger off of this performance, he was in front after the wire. He was MOVIN at the end, that isn't hanging in my opinion, I also think Invasor was dead tired at the end, Invasor has some SERIOUS fight in him, and lets keep in mind that while considered a 4 year old, he is a three old really. Southern Hemisphere breeding are a 'year' ahead, when they are really not, if they makes any sense

I am wondering how long until Candy Stripes starts coming to the states, if he hasn't already, there has been a ton of good strong gritty horses that have come to the US from him...

Invasor would now be a 4yr old.

Originally Posted by Scav

I am wondering how long until Candy Stripes starts coming to the states, if he hasn't already, there has been a ton of good strong gritty horses that have come to the US from him...

He didnt do much when he was here. He also seems to throw some conformation issues and the South American broodmare population seems a lot more "sound" than ours. Its not uncommon for stallions to be mediocre at best here and just "click" with SA mares and create internally competitive horses.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Balletto

He didnt do much when he was here. He also seems to throw some conformation issues and the South American broodmare population seems a lot more "sound" than ours. Its not uncommon for stallions to be mediocre at best here and just "click" with SA mares and create internally competitive horses.

Oh those latin mares



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[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Scav

Oh those latin mares



(I don't usually use comedy smiley faces but I figured I would try this time, since GPK will probably comment on this once he sees it)

SO Lame....