Jara or Leparoux

[slotdirt]

Ithink it's a stretch to say he'd be a top five jock at AQU's winter meet.

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Ithink it's a stretch to say he'd be a top five jock at AQU's winter meet.

He's absolutely dusting Arroyo Jr. at Del Mar right now and Arroyo Jr. finished tied for fifth at the duct winter meet.

[Scav]

Wow. your new to the site so I am going to take it easy, You are comparing Apples to oranges right now. NY winter duct meet is the weakest of their meets. Lep dominated Keeneland and Churchill, two of the most competitive meets in the country. Not sure how he is going at Toga but if he wins that meet, you won't have any argument whatsoever. You also have to realize is that they guy is still winning races when he doesn't have his bug(stakes races). Garcia is not.

[randallscott35]

You can't tell me you wouldn't prefer Lepar on the turf for sure. You can call dirt a tossup, but Lepar is one of the best young guys on the turf anywhere.

Originally Posted by Scav

Wow. your new to the site so I am going to take it easy, You are comparing Apples to oranges right now. NY winter duct meet is the weakest of their meets. Lep dominated Keeneland and Churchill, two of the most competitive meets in the country. Not sure how he is going at Toga but if he wins that meet, you won't have any argument whatsoever. You also have to realize is that they guy is still winning races when he doesn't have his bug(stakes races). Garcia is not.

All I've said is that I believe Garcia has the potential to be the best out of the young crop of riders. Many trainers on the west coast are singing this young man's praises and deservedly so.

I agree that Leparoux is outstanding and Jara has been lights out in the big races. But to disregard Garcia as nothing more than a 3% winner if he moves to New York is absolutely absurd considering he finished 1st at Golden Gate defeating Russell Baze, 3rd at the Hollywood meet and is currently in 3rd at the Del Mar meet.

And now I am asking you to please not take it easy on me. I want your brilliance and knowledge of the game to shine through not just post count, but actual opinion. Trying to throw around board status is lame.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

All I've said is that I believe Garcia has the potential to be the best out of the young crop of riders. Many trainers on the west coast are singing this young man's praises and deservedly so.

I agree that Leparoux is outstanding and Jara has been lights out in the big races. But to disregard Garcia as nothing more than a 3% winner if he moves to New York is absolutely absurd considering he finished 1st at Golden Gate defeating Russell Baze, 3rd at the Hollywood meet and is currently in 3rd at the Del Mar meet.

And now I am asking you to please not take it easy on me. I want your brilliance and knowledge of the game to shine through not just post count, but actual opinion. Trying to throw around board status is lame.

I wasn't throwing around board status yo....Fact is that Jara is riding against 10 horse field on a consistent basis and Garcia rides against 5 horses.

It is in my opinion that Garcia would even have problems getting mounts at Saratoga right now. he would be a top 12 jock at the belmont Meet, and would be a top three jock at the Aqueduct Meet. The Aqueduct meet is always dominated by bugs because everyone is at Gulfstream.

Also, if I am not mistaken, he beat Baze because Baze missed four weeks with a broken shoulder blade, and Baze almost came back and beat him.

Originally Posted by Scav

I wasn't throwing around board status yo....Fact is that Jara is riding against 10 horse field on a consistent basis and Garcia rides against 5 horses.

It is in my opinion that Garcia would even have problems getting mounts at Saratoga right now. he would be a top 12 jock at the belmont Meet, and would be a top three jock at the Aqueduct Meet. The Aqueduct meet is always dominated by bugs because everyone is at Gulfstream.

Also, if I am not mistaken, he beat Baze because Baze missed four weeks with a broken shoulder blade, and Baze almost came back and beat him.

Garcia had 79 more mounts than Baze and finished 15 wins ahead of him. Baze still had a slightly higher win % but Garcia put him away the last two weeks of the meet.

Regardless beating Baze on his home turf is a big accomplishment. Baze usually sleepwalks to the winner's circle up there.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Garcia had 79 more mounts than Baze and finished 15 wins ahead of him. Baze still had a slightly higher win % but Garcia put him away the last two weeks of the meet.

Regardless beating Baze on his home turf is a big accomplishment. Baze usually sleepwalks to the winner's circle up there.

agree....but the Frenchmen dominated Churchill, and dominated Keeneland, I am surprised at your opinion quite honestly. You sound intelligent so i am guessing you understand that the jockey colony is 10 times harder at KY and NY then in Northern Cal, and Southern Cal for that matter.

Aaron Gryder wins races at Southern Cal.