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Old 08-07-2006, 07:14 AM
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"leading money-winning rider in the country "




This seems to be the get out of jail card for every bad decision the guy ever makes.Like I said,he gave these 3 chalks(Kewen,Sigfreto,and TM Bling)totally f'd up rides,because he keeps horses in an awful position,and the other guys keep him in the trouble that he gets into (with his own poor decision-making.)What were these 3 horses...7/5,3/5,and 6/5.He is a good play on the medium to high priced horses.Anything he rides with odds that have a 5 in the bottom of the fraction(5 as denominator,)I don't want.Keep that sht.If I like the horse,I'll skip the race.I haven't mentioned him f'n up anything since TM BLING.That's cuz I haven't played him since then.Problem solved.
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Old 08-07-2006, 07:21 AM
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"leading money-winning rider in the country "




This seems to be the get out of jail card for every bad decision the guy ever makes.Like I said,he gave these 3 chalks(Kewen,Sigfreto,and TM Bling)totally f'd up rides,because he keeps horses in an awful position,and the other guys keep him in the trouble that he gets into (with his own poor decision-making.)What were these 3 horses...7/5,3/5,and 6/5.He is a good play on the medium to high priced horses.Anything he rides with odds that have a 5 in the bottom of the fraction(5 as denominator,)I don't want.Keep that sht.If I like the horse,I'll skip the race.I haven't mentioned him f'n up anything since TM BLING.That's cuz I haven't played him since then.Problem solved.
Every rider out there has blown a ton of races. The good riders simply blow less rides than the other jocks. Victor Espinoza is a great rider. I've seen him give a few really bad rides this year that cost his horses races. That doesn't mean he's not a great rider. He's given some really bad rides but he's still in the top 5 best riders in the country. He'll give some bad rides once in a while, but he gives less bad rides than 99% of the other guys.
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Old 08-07-2006, 07:32 AM
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Every rider out there has blown a ton of races. The good riders simply blow less rides than the other jocks. Victor Espinoza is a great rider. I've seen him give a few really bad rides this year that cost his horses races. That doesn't mean he's not a great rider. He's given some really bad rides but he's still in the top 5 best riders in the country. He'll give some bad rides once in a while, but he gives less bad rides than 99% of the other guys.
Rupert I think that he truly stands out as one of the most talented riders I ever saw who simply gives worse than bad rides on occasion. he gives simply astonishing bad rides on occasion. real head scratchers where you just can't figure out what was going through his mind.
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Old 08-07-2006, 07:35 AM
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People say he isn't dumb,but he mainly makes the same exact mistake(bad spot..stays there..other jocks lock him down tight....guys who played him get their balls in a f'n glass jar.)See,if a person keeps making the same mistake,then some people would call that person stupid(and the mistake would be called a stupid mistake.)
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Old 08-07-2006, 07:38 AM
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People say he isn't dumb,but he mainly makes the same exact mistake(bad spot..stays there..other jocks lock him down tight....guys who played him get their balls in a f'n glass jar.)See,if a person keeps making the same mistake,then some people would call that person stupid(and the mistake would be called a stupid mistake.)
I have to agree with scuds. Riding "your style" is one thing. But to consistently make the same mistake over and over again is just incredible. He seems to think that he has a right to slide into a hole or that one will always open up for him. In Ny thats just not gonna be the case most of the time. Guys ride for keeps here.
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Old 08-07-2006, 07:52 AM
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I watched that replay of race 10 again this morning and second that. Gomez rode his horse out and got beat for 2nd and 3rd. Have I ever seen a jockey try harder for 2nd and 3rd than Gomez did in that spot? Heck yes. Watch Jorge Chavez if you want to see the definition of riding a horse out. But Gomez did not just concede 2nd and 3rd spots. No way.
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Old 08-07-2006, 07:53 AM
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Guys, he didn't stop riding yesterday. I was at the finish line and I just watched the replay a few times. I think with all jockey's period you could give a ton of examples of bad rides. That's just how it is. Prado's ride on Songster was definitely questionable. Johnny V on Vig on Saturday. I personally don't think he is with Prado, who's so consistent it's scary, or Johnny V who is immensly talented. But he isn't far off, and his presence in the East has done nothing but help prices on the other two guys I think.
Read my horror show beat on Vig. Worst ride Johnny has given in years up here. That was indeed a nightmare.
Da Hoss if you are in town why not stop over at Steves BB stand and say hello to some of us? WIll you be there today. Its always nice to meet other trailers.
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Old 08-07-2006, 02:03 PM
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Guys, he didn't stop riding yesterday. I was at the finish line and I just watched the replay a few times. I think with all jockey's period you could give a ton of examples of bad rides. That's just how it is. Prado's ride on Songster was definitely questionable. Johnny V on Vig on Saturday. I personally don't think he is with Prado, who's so consistent it's scary, or Johnny V who is immensly talented. But he isn't far off, and his presence in the East has done nothing but help prices on the other two guys I think.
Now we have 3 posters who watched the replay multiple times and say Gomez didn't stop riding. But it will still be another bad ride to oracle and scuds.

If Gomez keeps making the same stupid mistake, as Scuds insists, you'd think it would be easy for the other riders to get the best of him. But there he sits on top of the list of money-earners.

Funny, too, how the trainers that use Gomez haven't been turned off by Gomez' stupidity. Somehow he keeps getting mounts on so many top horses, despite all his "obvious" shortcomings. It's good to know we've got folks here who are so much smarter than the top trainers.

Yesterday Gomez rode for Pletcher, Biancone, Hertler, Blasi, Reynolds, James Jerkins, and Clement. You'd think that some of them would have noticed how easy it is for Gomez to get trapped into a mistake. But they just keep giving him good mounts in their ignorance, I guess.

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Old 08-07-2006, 03:04 PM
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Again,the "top money winning jockey" is the get out of jail free card.

If not that card,then "top trainers use him," and that's a get out of jail free card#2. It is not a big issue to me.I don't bet the guy anymore on chalk.He rides everything like it's a 3rd or 4th choice in the race,and that just doesn't work on chalk.Everybody knows where you are at (if you are prohibitive chalk.)When he adjusts to this,and realizes that he can't just put chalk anywhere he wants(and eventually get out,)then he will be playable on chalk.As far as yesterday's race goes,I don't think that what he did in the final 16th is very important.Horse is simply stopping,and I personally don't think tappin' that a$$ one more time will do that much ,but to each his own.Like I said,he made a very quick move with quite a distance to still run,and I would rather have seen a smoother move to the front.I would much rather somebody move too early than to wait,and get in trouble.If you notice,the only issue I have with the guy is getting horses stuck in a bad spot that his fellow jocks won't let him out of.For instance,in the race on Kewen,he is stuck behind horses on a 7/5.He then wants to get outside of them,and somebody coming from the back isn't having it(because he has a chance to keep a 7/5 trapped in.)So,he has no place to go in front of him,or outside of him.The horse in front of him slows and goes wide as he hits the dirt.All Gomez can do is take his horse up.Game over.I just think he always has ridden a certain way(relax your horse and come with an outside rush,)and he has to ride more defensively that that.I would agree that he is a great talent from off the pace.The best I have ever seen at closing.Problem is that he often places horses in spots that they can't get out of without the cooperation of others.If you're on a 7/2,you will probably get out.On the 6/5 chalk,we have seen that he often doesn't get out of that same spot.
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Old 08-07-2006, 03:22 PM
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This is pretty dead on. He is one hell of a finisher. If he ever does adapt better, he'll be lights out for the next 10 years. On a lighter note, your quote is hilarious.

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