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Old 04-17-2008, 07:49 AM
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There were a couple of babies who worked a 1/4 over the polytrack at KEE in 20 2/5th seconds.

For very short distances - that surface is insanely fast compared to dirt. The longer they go - the much, much, much slower they go.
Except in the case of this horse endurance isn't the issue, it is that he is probably plain too slow. So seeing that he's at least capable of running three furlongs in 34 is a bit encouraging.

Man, this is an awful Derby. I've just defended the chances of Tomcito and Adriano in the past ten minutes.
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Old 04-17-2008, 08:29 AM
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Except in the case of this horse endurance isn't the issue, it is that he is probably plain too slow. So seeing that he's at least capable of running three furlongs in 34 is a bit encouraging.

Man, this is an awful Derby. I've just defended the chances of Tomcito and Adriano in the past ten minutes.
BINGO!!!

How long odds would these two be in a "normal" year- and we're discussing them as legitimate contenders to hit the board?!?!?
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Old 04-17-2008, 08:34 AM
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BINGO!!!

How long odds would these two be in a "normal" year- and we're discussing them as legitimate contenders to hit the board?!?!?
Yeah, and how terrible is Court Vision that even in this impossibly slow year of Derby contenders I still think he's too slow to plod up to the top five.
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Old 04-17-2008, 08:36 AM
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Man, this is an awful Derby. I've just defended the chances of Tomcito and Adriano in the past ten minutes.[/QUOTE]

...I feel the same way. Last week I emailed my friend (back me up BT)to tell him to take a look at Monba and Adriano, now we're in a Tomcito discussion, though I admit I glossed over his record and dismissed him off hand without really thinking about it. Now he's coming back with Salute the Sarge- how sad is this bunch. Meanwhile, I still can't get the "Giacomo-esque" Court Vision out of the trifecta.
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Old 04-17-2008, 09:01 AM
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Please stop with the Tomcito, its hard to even read this garbage.

The horse has NO CHANCE to do anything, hes a complete crow. Tomcito is so slow he makes Court Vision look fast. Court Vision would beat Tomcito 10 out of 10 times
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:01 AM
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Please stop with the Tomcito, its hard to even read this garbage.

The horse has NO CHANCE to do anything, hes a complete crow. Tomcito is so slow he makes Court Vision look fast. Court Vision would beat Tomcito 10 out of 10 times
Court Vision is pretty much a crow too though. I say they dead heat for 7th in the Derby
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:05 AM
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Be a good future bet Court V-vs-Tomshito. I would bet CV and be 100% confident.
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:28 AM
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Man, this is an awful Derby. I've just defended the chances of Tomcito and Adriano in the past ten minutes.[/QUOTE]

...I feel the same way. Last week I emailed my friend (back me up BT)to tell him to take a look at Monba and Adriano, now we're in a Tomcito discussion, though I admit I glossed over his record and dismissed him off hand without really thinking about it. Now he's coming back with Salute the Sarge- how sad is this bunch. Meanwhile, I still can't get the "Giacomo-esque" Court Vision out of the trifecta.
It's soo sad of a bunch that i would be surprised if Big Brown wins. The field is full of sub-par 3YO's who have racked up a bunch of 3rd and 4ths for earnings. HANDS DOWN the best year to take a shot with a filly if you've got one (owners that is).
And yes i'm on the Sarge for the Lexington, i honestly believe people are looking into Tomcito's 3rd by 12 lengths to Big Brown a little too much.

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Old 04-19-2008, 11:24 PM
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Another big effort out of Tomcito again today.
Totally flatulent effort ... And yes I was disappointed ...
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Old 04-19-2008, 11:39 PM
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Another big effort out of Tomcito again today.
I was at Kee today, and he looked pretty good in the paddock, although like a turf horse to my eyes. The connections were very excited before the race. I saw them leaving after the day was over, the yellow Tomicito hats no longer in strong evidence. That might be it for that dream.

Mott's horse looked great in the paddock, eager to have at it, professional, and seems to look like a horse on the upswing, with improvement left.

I think Baffert was himself surprised.

Everybody else looked pretty unimpressive to me, actually. I went only to go to the paddock and see the horses, and I was disappointed with much of what I saw in person. Weird year. It's like they are 2 months behind, developmentally (small, not muscled/impressive) - they didn't look like horses two weeks from the Derby. Of course, this is the B team.
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Tomshito

Mumtaz, maybe you looked at Tomshitos pony. Hes certainly not a good looking horse, nor a good horse.
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Old 04-20-2008, 08:47 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised to see him running for 15000 a year from now.
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Old 04-20-2008, 08:49 AM
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Why wait a year
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Old 04-20-2008, 10:22 AM
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Tomshito

Mumtaz, maybe you looked at Tomshitos pony. Hes certainly not a good looking horse, nor a good horse.
Um ... let's rephrase and say, "muscled, shiny, tucked"
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