John V. & Flower Alley

[Scav]

Horse was short today, matter of fact I absolutely LOVE how he ran today because it will help the odds, at least a little bit for the JCGC or whatever the thing is.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Scav

Horse was short today, matter of fact I absolutely LOVE how he ran today because it will help the odds, at least a little bit for the JCGC or whatever the thing is.

And if Invasor is in the JCGC? How much are you willing to bet that FA turns the tables?

[paisjpq]

I would bet that FA will avoid invasor for awhile...until breeder's cup anyway

Flower Alley was not in shape according to Pletcher

[sumitas]

and it looked it. he'll improve.

[whorstman]

I watched the replay, just not quite fit enough. Keep an eye on it. Was w/ the pace the whole race and just didn't have the gas in the tank in the end. A couple good works and this horse will be ok. I was all over Invasor in this race anyway, but FA was not as horrible as it looked.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Scav

Horse was short today, matter of fact I absolutely LOVE how he ran today because it will help the odds, at least a little bit for the JCGC or whatever the thing is.

i guess you like to throw money away. that horse was short in a 9f race on his home track but you like him going more distance on another track if invasor or bernardini is in there?

if pletcher has horses that are running short maybe he is not the great trainer people say he is. i think he was ready but not in the league with a horse that now has three grade 1 wins in a row against older horses. flower alley still does not have a grade 1 win against older horses.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Exceller

i guess you like to throw money away. that horse was short in a 9f race on his home track but you like him going more distance on another track if invasor or bernardini is in there?

if pletcher has horses that are running short maybe he is not the great trainer people say he is. i think he was ready but not in the league with a horse that now has three grade 1 wins in a row against older horses. flower alley still does not have a grade 1 win against older horses.

Um, newflash to someone that still doesn't have a clue, he is considered an OLDER horse, if anything Invasor is still a 3 year old I think (Southern Hemisphere are a year older, but not really)

[GPK]

not 100% as in fit.....he is healthy....just wasnt 100% fit for that race.....

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by GPK

not 100% as in fit.....he is healthy....just wasnt 100% fit for that race.....

if a trainer is going to use a race to train a horse (get him fit) don't you think the horse should run more than once every couple of months?

[sumitas]

if the horse is ok then his training seems to have slipped..

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

if a trainer is going to use a race to train a horse (get him fit) don't you think the horse should run more than once every couple of months?

Yap. Needs to run a few more races if he's training him in races. I thought Sun King ran a huge race with the first half in only 47and change. That was a really big finish.

[Betsy]

Does it concern Invasor fans that he needed every bit of the stretch to beat a horse who clearly isn't a two turn horse? Sun King is a very nice horse, but the only race he's won in the last half year or so was a sprint; he's never run well against even less than top class competition around two turns.

I also don't get Pletcher; if I owned Flower Alley, I'd be pretty steamed that he ran a horse who was less than 100% in the Whitney. This is a very prestigious race - what, was Todd using it as a prep for something else? Sheesh - at best, FA was going to only have 4 or 5 races this year. Why throw away one of them right off the bat? Unless he honestly thought FA at less than 100% was good enough to beat Invasor.....isn't that kind of arrogant?

Originally Posted by GPK

not 100% as in fit.....he is healthy....just wasnt 100% fit for that race.....

Good grief ...

... Flower Alley is beginning to sound like Lost In The Fog!

Let's see ... did he "not fire" ... did he "not run his race" ... was he "studdish" ... did he "not like the track" ... did he "get a bad ride" ... and what else were they saying about Lost In The Fog ... that can also be applied to Flower Alley?

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Scav

Um, newflash to someone that still doesn't have a clue, he is considered an OLDER horse, if anything Invasor is still a 3 year old I think (Southern Hemisphere are a year older, but not really)

newsflash? Someone who doesn't have a clue? do you have any idea what you are talking about? it sounds like you know nothing about horse racing.

Invasor is the Uruguayan Triple Crown Winner and Horse of the Year. He is not a 3 year old.

[DiscreetCat=Monster]

Thats funny the horse wasn't 100% but yet he was 3-2


I wonder the total amount bet to WPS was???

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by LOSE=GLUE

Thats funny the horse wasn't 100% but yet he was 3-2


I wonder the total amount bet to WPS was???

saying he wasn't 100% for the whitney is a slap at pletcher. so he runs horses in grade 1's that are not fit?

[Phalaris1913]

newsflash? Someone who doesn't have a clue? do you have any idea what you are talking about? it sounds like you know nothing about horse racing.

Invasor is the Uruguayan Triple Crown Winner and Horse of the Year. He is not a 3 year old.

Technicalities like this are why universal birthdates are used for official reckoning, but it doesn't change the fact that Invasor probably is 3, just barely.

Invasor was born in August of 2002. Of course he's officially considered a 4YO for racing purposes, but there's a decent chance that he has not passed his actual 4th birthday yet.