Saturday Stakes BSF's

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

If this board was like Survivor, I wonder who would be voted off first?

You.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

You.

I laughed..






(But Travis wouldn't be a contestant... He'd be the voice-over guy!)

Originally Posted by Kasept

I laughed..






(But Travis wouldn't be a contestant... He'd be the voice-over guy!)

Oh...


Well we'd just feed him to Morty.

[brianwspencer]

I really don't understand how this has turned into a three page discussion of whether or not this crop is slow so far. With the exception of War Pass, and a couple of decent races by horses chasing him last year, they've been dreadfully slow.

When every figure maker out there has figures that say they are slow compared to years past, it seems like a foregone conclusion that they are slow. Don't like Beyers? Cool, check another source. They all say this bunch is slow.

"I liked the way he looked in the stretch" does not make a horse fast, it means you like the the way the horse looked in the stretch. I've seen 4K claimers who look great in the stretch at Hawthorne in the middle of winter -- shall I sign them up for the Wood, since this new style of analysis that I've learned in this thread this afternoon has taught me what equals fast?

Damn all the numbers. It really is outrageous, how disconnected from racing reality some of the comments here are.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

I will ask again since no one seems to want to answer a sincere question...

Please explain the logic behind the numbers then. I really don't understand. Never claimed to understand. In fact, I said I didn't understand the logic several times. Do BSFs take pace into account?

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I really don't understand how this has turned into a three page discussion of whether or not this crop is slow so far. With the exception of War Pass, and a couple of decent races by horses chasing him last year, they've been dreadfully slow.

When every figure maker out there has figures that say they are slow compared to years past, it seems like a foregone conclusion that they are slow. Don't like Beyers? Cool, check another source. They all say this bunch is slow.

"I liked the way he looked in the stretch" does not make a horse fast, it means you like the the way the horse looked in the stretch. I've seen 4K claimers who look great in the stretch at Hawthorne in the middle of winter -- shall I sign them up for the Wood, since this new style of analysis that I've learned in this thread this afternoon has taught me what equals fast?

Damn all the numbers. It really is outrageous, how disconnected from racing reality some of the comments here are.

I have never seen one, and I have watched Hawthorne quite a bit. Can you point out an example, so that I can watch one of these on race replays.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I have never seen one, and I have watched Hawthorne quite a bit. Can you point out an example, so that I can watch one of these on race replays.

Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that you were an advocate of actually backing up what you say. I wasn't planning on being put on the spot, considering that you never seem to feel the need to back up your thoughts.

With that said, I don't have specific notes with me regarding my nickel claimer statement, but I'd be more than happy to find you one sometime in the near future during their Spring meet. I'll put it out there as soon as it happens.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that you were an advocate of actually backing up what you say. I wasn't planning on being put on the spot, considering that you never seem to feel the need to back up your thoughts.

With that said, I don't have specific notes with me regarding my nickel claimer statement, but I'd be more than happy to find you one sometime in the near future during their Spring meet. I'll put it out there as soon as it happens.

Actually, I do back it up with examples and opinions. Not very many other people do on this board. That is one thing that I do. No one is willing to answer my questions regarding the differences in the Beyers of the horses that I mentioned. I was willing to say War Pass wasn't the most talented horse in the country a few weeks ago, and that Big Brown was more talented. I am willing to say that this crop is not slow. The results will either back me up or prove me wrong. We'll know in the next couple of months.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Actually, I do back it up with examples and opinions. Not very many other people do on this board. That is one thing that I do. No one is willing to answer my questions regarding the differences in the Beyers of the horses that I mentioned. I was willing to say War Pass wasn't the most talented horse in the country a few weeks ago, and that Big Brown was more talented. I am willing to say that this crop is not slow. The results will either back me up or prove me wrong. We'll know in the next couple of months.

Nobody is implying that there is not a single horse that will turn in some fast races, or will turn out to be a good horse later this year, as far as I can tell.

The point is that right now, as of this very minute, this crop is slow in comparison to past groups.

No amount of obnoxious spin can change that.