2/24 (GP): Fountain of Youth (Gr. II)

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Wouldn't know Facebook at all except for seeing the stories on the news.....Not interested in that yenta nonsense....Andy, I respect and admire your knowledge and insights on the sport....You have to just trust me on this horse

Now I know you're crazy.

[miraja2]

I liked the horse going into the race and said so in this thread.
However, as has been pointed out earlier, winning a 9f race at that track when you have some speed and are breaking from the 1-hole is not exactly an outstanding accomplishment.
He was an overlay today, but I think that the opposite could certainly be true in his next start.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Now I know you're crazy.

Appreciate the compliment

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Appreciate the compliment

Only the truly insane can really appreciate lunacy.

[miraja2]

Here is the chart: http://www.drf.com/drfPDFChartRacesI...=20080224&RN=9

[Danzig]

monba dead last....geez...

Pletcher's horsies seem to be just under the magical amount. I love it.

[Bobby Fischer]

kentucky bear went off at 4-1

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

kentucky bear has such a slim chance of being anything more than an allowance horse. Baker is known for send his 1st timers out in mid-season shape, and most of them are at a peak and good for maybe a maiden and an allowance. Kb drew into such a weak maiden field and it was pretty hard to tell if he really galloped out as well as it appeared or the field was that bad.

Plenty of better allowance horses entered like Cool Coal Man, Elysium Fields or even Golden spikes.

Can't see Make the Point or Adriano getting the trip they need, but they are decent horses. Worth reviewing their performances after the race with the track config in mind. You get 11 seconds to turn1.

For the sake of the division, like to see Court Vision, Anak Nakal, Monba, or Adriano run a big race. Not in love with Gomez on CV, although if Go-Go gives his good stuff their styles mesh well and could win it on the far turn.

[ninetoone]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

kentucky bear went off at 4-1

Considering the morning lines, I guess Kentucky Bear was even more of a wise guy horse than Manba...of course, my dumb *ss kinda liked both of 'em...oh well

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Danzig

monba dead last....geez...

He was a fraud going in and a lot worse going out.

First of all, his only race on dirt was very weak. He beat a terrible field with a perfect trip, and secondly " gallop outs " are extremely misleading and misunderstood. It's one thing with a firster who's going too short if he really gallops out strongly but for Monba in California all he was doing was running faster than others being eased up after the race was over.

[miraja2]

Oh BF, are we supposed to quote ourselves when we get something right?
Okay how about....

Originally Posted by miraja2

Personally I think this is a really good betting race. It seems like you could go a lot of different ways with this one, but I think Zito's chances here are very good.

or maybe....

Originally Posted by miraja2

Why do you think Cool Coal Man looks awful? In my opinion he seems to be steadily improving and looks plenty competitive with these colts at this point.

or would you like...

Originally Posted by miraja2

(Kentucky Bear) is likely to be the most overbet horse in the race.
Betting a colt with a sprinter's pedigree stretching out to 9f and stepping way up in class after an off-the-pace score going 8f is not usually a smart move as far as I am concerned.
Perhaps he is really just that good and wins, but as far as betting goes, I am looking elsewhere.

Wow! I am smart!

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He was a fraud going in and a lot worse going out.

First of all, his only race on dirt was very weak. He beat a terrible field with a perfect trip, and secondly " gallop outs " are extremely misleading and misunderstood. It's one thing with a firster who's going too short if he really gallops out strongly but for Monba in California all he was doing was running faster than others being eased up after the race was over.

I think you nailed this on the head. If a horse closes significantly in a race that doesn't come back, then you certainly make note of the effort. If a horse closes the best in a race where 5 of 11 (excluding the winner) are ALSO gaining late, why is there a need to take note? About the best you can say is that he was the BEST of the CLOSERS.