Majestic Warrior

[philcski]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

He's been working every 7 days for a month now. I'll defer to an expert like BBB for a comment on that, but isn't he a closing sprinter anyway?

"I have personally observed his last 14 workouts with my private clocker, and his propensity for lagging early in races seems to translate from his training. I'm concerned to see Mott pacing him in a 5F workout in company then backing up to a 4F drill, while falling one day off schedule (which had been a classic 8-7-6 4-4-5 pattern.) It appears to me he has not matured at the rate one would expect of an early 3YO and perhaps in the care of a more hands on trainer he would be further along the Derby Trail"

Signed,
BBB

Ok I'm calling it...

Majestic Warrior winner of the 2008 Breeders Cup Mile presented by Qdoba.

[mrmikegap]

While I'm no pedigree expert, but isn't A.P. Indy known for not producing precocious runners? Sure they may break their maiden in their 1st or 2nd start, but they then level off after that. IMO, I expect his offspring to begin to mature more towards the middle of their 3 year old season. Of course, there are always exceptions, and maybe Majestic Warrior is one.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by mrmikegap

While I'm no pedigree expert, but isn't A.P. Indy known for not producing precocious runners? Sure they may break their maiden in their 1st or 2nd start, but they then level off after that. IMO, I expect his offspring to begin to mature more towards the middle of their 3 year old season. Of course, there are always exceptions, and maybe Majestic Warrior is one.

I reasonable guess

[sumitas]

This derby trail is not for every horse but the connections seem to roll the dice with their horses if they have the slightest ability, if not physical or mental maturity.

[mrmikegap]

I agree 100%.

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by mrmikegap

I agree 100%.

You are my kinda poster.

Pillow: Your horse is very live here.

Dahoss: Thanx but, there are no workout experts per se. The evaluations are subjective in nature and misinterpretation abounds.

With that said the Derby is unique and trainers have little room for error when preparing their horses. Solid cappers employ tradition to eliminate marginal contenders based on class, conditioning, pedigree, style and a plethora of "other" circumstances, unlike the eighth on Wednesday, at their favorite track.

Maybe Majestic Warrior is a come from behind sprinter and empirically that would be tough to refute? But he seems, at least to us, to be one of five or six possible Derby winners.

Class: By a Grade one winner...out of a Grade one winner and a Grade I victor himself! Case closed.

Conditioning: Billy is under no pressure here, Coolmore's on board and taking at face value that the Louisiana race will be his sophomore debut, indicates more than a little confidence from the unpretentious Mr. Mott that this one will stretch out nicely!

Pedigree: Inbred to both Secretariat AND Buckpasser ( both won the Hopeful)and being by A.P. Indy could certainly lead one to conclude that the ten panel Churchill trip is well within this ones scope.

Style: The woefully simplist E, P and S designations are of little use in everyday capping, let alone the Derby. Majestic Warrior won both his starts from the fence taking dirt and going away at the end, albeit against suspect foes and with good race shapes. Like many Derby winners, he appears push button and professional

From a workout standpoint and acknowledging that Philski is better at comedy than cappin, most AP Indy's have little early gas and this homebred is no different. It appears he has never beat a workmate and has been blown away at least twice by maidens, but Mott may now be able to tighten the screws. The Champagne when sent off a New York nickle over even money is a complete toss as MW ran like a "crab" and had hoof issues. Trainers lose sleep over blind quarter cracks and stone bruises and the ultimate diagnosis according to Kinsman was a hoof wall separaration. The benign three furlong works twelve days after his races indicate caution and the string of Saturday works as a sophomore are similar in nature to the work pattern before MW's debut. At any rate this one comes to hand fast and it will be revealing how he works tomorrow or Saturday.

Conclusion: One of a half dozen or so that can get the roses.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

They do? By connections do you mean the trainer or owner?

i read his line in a fortune cookie the other day.