2/16-18: Carlos (SA); Bertie (GP); Gen George (LRL)

[GPK]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Yeah, that three race campaign in 2006 that culminated in May was impressive. Come on, it's not like there was a horse that was undefeated in America and won four Grade Is or a Derby winner by open lengths who happened to be undefeated or a 3YO who blossomed into a multiple Grade I winner and was beaten in the BC Classic by the Horse of the Year.

NT

NT....he was a 4YO in 2006. In 2005 he was one of the best 3YO's in the country. IMO, where they made the mistake with him as a 3yo, was running him in the Pacific Classic against older.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by GPK

NT....he was a 4YO in 2006. In 2005 he was one of the best 3YO's in the country. IMO, where they made the mistake with him as a 3yo, was running him in the Pacific Classic against older.

I'm confused... why on earth was it a mistake to run him against older horses?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by GPK

NT....he was a 4YO in 2006. In 2005 he was one of the best 3YO's in the country. IMO, where they made the mistake with him as a 3yo, was running him in the Pacific Classic against older.

Right, I know. What I was referring to was the mystifying statement, albeit an opinion that he was the best horse in the country in 2006 and a shortened season kept him from accomplishing something great.

I was endeavoring to also point out that there were some pretty talented horses that ran in 2006.

NT

[GPK]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Right, I know. What I was referring to was the mystifying statement, albeit an opinion that he was the best horse in the country in 2006 and a shortened season kept him from accomplishing something great.

I was endeavoring to also point out that there were some pretty talented horses that ran in 2006.

NT

Ok, I see now where K.G. stated he was the best horse in 2006. I thought you where referring to his 3yo year....sorry 'bout that.


MMSC....just my personal opinion is all. Not quite sure he was ready to take on the likes of those in that race. Berrego turned out to have a very solid 2 half of the year in 2005. Just think he needed a touch more experience than he had going into that race. But what the hell do I know...im just a golf pro

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by GPK

Ok, I see now where K.G. stated he was the best horse in 2006. I thought you where referring to his 3yo year....sorry 'bout that.


MMSC....just my personal opinion is all. Not quite sure he was ready to take on the likes of those in that race. Berrego turned out to have a very solid 2 half of the year in 2005. Just think he needed a touch more experience than he had going into that race. But what the hell do I know...im just a golf pro

Yeah well I'm just a pretty-horsie-girl-wanna-be-capper so what do I know.

I just tend to think if you've got a really good 3YO (which he was) you should go for it.

Girls against the boys, younger against older, etc.

[King Glorious]

Bernardini blossomed in the second half of the 2006 season. Invasor did the same thing. Barbaro was overrated from the start. Surf Cat, in the first half of 2006, ran as well as any horse in the country. There weren't that many that were able to combine the ability to excel in sprints and routes. I'm sorry that I didn't include the statement "in the first half". Maybe that would have cleared up some of the confusion. At the same time, I do not believe that Bernardini, Invasor or Barbaro could have beaten him under a mile. It's my belief that he'd have a better chance of beating them at 10f than they would have of beating him at 6.5-7f. For some people, the best horses aren't necessarily the best at 9-10f. For some people, they would rather have a horse that has more versatility.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You're going to have to explain this one. I'm not getting all sentimental here, but how could he have been overrated?

Barbaro was a good horse but I think he was far from proving himself as the superstar that his fans made him out to be. Granted, his Derby was an awesome, overpowering performance. But I think that if people judged Barbaro without all of the sentiment that comes with his story, they will find quite a few horses that were as good as or better at their best than Barbaro was. That begs the question of whether or not we saw Barbaro at his best? There's every chance that he could have shown even more. But strictly based on fact and not speculation, I think he was overrated.

[Mortimer]

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