Clemens: BigFATLIar

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Maybe you care Scuds and that's fine. But overall, the public believes they cheat and don't really care. There have got to be more pressing issues for congress to tackle than what grown men decide to put in their bodies to gain an edge. The only people they are hurting.....is themselves.

Where you are wrong (both of you) is when you keep saying there is no crime against anybody.It's a lie.They illegally took HGH and or steroids without having A disease or A deficiency(OF HGH.) That's illegal.Now,that is not the biggest problem.The biggest problem is they took them to cheat somebody.You're not getting that part.The ethics involved here.This is cheating other players who had to compete with them.O.K.,and the fact you don't particularly care about cheating is because we don't go hard enough on people who cheat in professional situations.Kids see these guys get off,and they think it's o.k. to take bribes or whatever.Eventually ya just got a bunch of animals eating each other.If you don't have ethics in society,then the only thing that matters is who has the power at any given moment.Both of you have Machiavellian tendencies,and that's where this attitude comes from(this attitude that cheating is no big deal,and just get over it.)

You guys have no idea how many useless hearings go on besides baseball and steriods. You say these guys have better things to do... What? They grandstand with hearings all the time.

I personally hope they try Clemens for perjury. Make a statement to all these entertainers that they just cant lie to under oath and to Grand Juries. Lock him up and send a statement about lying.

I know one thing for sure. The most bizarre Congressman I have now ever seen is Dan/Don Barton from Indiana. Republicans should be absolutely ashamed of this idiot. I need to look into this guy and how the hell he got elected to do anything. He is a clown. Anybody from Indiana, help me with this guy...

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by pgardn

You guys have no idea how many useless hearings go on besides baseball and steriods. You say these guys have better things to do... What? They grandstand with hearings all the time.

I personally hope they try Clemens for perjury. Make a statement to all these entertainers that they just cant lie to under oath and to Grand Juries. Lock him up and send a statement about lying.

I know one thing for sure. The most bizarre Congressman I have now ever seen is Dan/Don Barton from Indiana. Republicans should be absolutely ashamed of this idiot. I need to look into this guy and how the hell he got elected to do anything. He is a clown. Anybody from Indiana, help me with this guy...

....... i heard he is way out there, was all over clinton about the lewinski situation.........while he had fathered a child out of wedlock with one of his staff????

Originally Posted by alysheba4

....... i heard he is way out there, was all over clinton about the lewinski situation.........while he had fathered a child out of wedlock with one of his staff????

Interesting.
He just seemed like such a scum snakeoil salesman.
Dont know how some of these Congressman keep
getting re-elected. People in his district have
some sort of retardation.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Where you are wrong (both of you) is when you keep saying there is no crime against anybody.It's a lie.They illegally took HGH and or steroids without having A disease or A deficiency(OF HGH.) That's illegal.Now,that is not the biggest problem.The biggest problem is they took them to cheat somebody.You're not getting that part.The ethics involved here.This is cheating other players who had to compete with them.O.K.,and the fact you don't particularly care about cheating is because we don't go hard enough on people who cheat in professional situations.Kids see these guys get off,and they think it's o.k. to take bribes or whatever.Eventually ya just got a bunch of animals eating each other.If you don't have ethics in society,then the only thing that matters is who has the power at any given moment.Both of you have Machiavellian tendencies,and that's where this attitude comes from(this attitude that cheating is no big deal,and just get over it.)

This is all in a fantasy world. These are baseball players we are talking about. They get paid millions of dollars to play a damn game! The Mitchell report and these hearings got nothing accomplished. It's all perception, the majority of people think that Bonds and Clemens took steroids. But has it been proved? OJ was found innocent, and the perception is that he is guilty. People are going to believe what they want. What about everyone else that admitted that they took steroids? Last time I checked nothing has happened. All I was saying is that I believe that there are plenty of other major issues that congressman could tackle if they wanted to. Cheating in baseball is the biggest crisis in the country, are they going to go after corked bats and spit balls next? Is Gaylord Perry even still alive to recieve a subpoena? As far as the children go, Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds should be the biggest problem I have to protect my children from, instead of some of the scum / maniacs out there. This whole process has been nothing more than political grandstanding and a waste of taxpayers money.

Originally Posted by MaTH716

This is all in a fantasy world. These are baseball players we are talking about. They get paid millions of dollars to play a damn game! The Mitchell report and these hearings got nothing accomplished. It's all perception, the majority of people think that Bonds and Clemens took steroids. But has it been proved? OJ was found innocent, and the perception is that he is guilty. People are going to believe what they want. What about everyone else that admitted that they took steroids? Last time I checked nothing has happened. All I was saying is that I believe that there are plenty of other major issues that congressman could tackle if they wanted to. Cheating in baseball is the biggest crisis in the country, are they going to go after corked bats and spit balls next? Is Gaylord Perry even still alive to recieve a subpoena? As far as the children go, Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds should be the biggest problem I have to protect my children from, instead of some of the scum / maniacs out there. This whole process has been nothing more than political grandstanding and a waste of taxpayers money.

Gaylord Perry was dealing with federally prohibited drugs?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Gaylord Perry was dealing with federally prohibited drugs?

Yeah,the problem really is just a lack of acceptance that these 2 substances(STEROIDS,HGH) are,for most people, illegal.You better have a prescription from a doctor that has found a legit reason to prescribe them to you.The reason people have no respect for that is because they let these guys get away without being punished.I mean these guys are doing the equivalent of simply stealing money from people.When you cheat to gain a physical advantage over the athletes you have to beat,then it's no different from stealing money from those other players.I guess people don't compute it that way,but it is true.Now,if you're wondering why it's in congress,well I think the better question is why isn't it in the courts? This is simple fraud,and just because they look tame to you,or you like them,doesn't mean they didn't commit fraud.There is simply too many people in this country that have no ethics,and that's why you see so damn little value in exposing people with the same lousy ethics.I would agree with you if it was just about somebody trying to get buff,but this is about people cheating to gain a financial/professional advantage.I'll say it again.It's no different than stealing from a department store.The only difference is they broke the law to get the tools(chemicals) in the 1st place.Cheating,and selfishnous(and the tolerance of it ) need to be paid attention to.If you don't have morals in a society,then it's gunna deteriorate.If I thought they were just hurting themselves,then I would agree with you,but this is about the deterioration of a society's morals.They knew you wouldn't care if they cheated.That's why they took the chance in the 1st place.