Now does anyone still believe?...

Originally Posted by oracle80

Betsy I don't really care how you see things to be honest. The reason I brought up Lady of venice and Scat Daddy is that they were two examples I felt of horses who ran races that looked better to most people than they did to me. I felt they were very good horses, not great as described by Joel. I went on record this Saturday as saying that Venice was a total tossout before the race.
WIth Bern I think only an idiot would not concede that hes by far the best three year old in training and that hes a very good horse. But I'm reading HOY stuff and a RIDICULOUS comparison to horses like Ghostzapper. I can't stop laughing hard enough at that.
Its not Bern's fault that Barb broke down in that race and that SNS was sore and that Bro got hurt in the gate. His fig was great. Its also not Bern's fault that there is nothing left to beat in the 3YO ranks. But lets face it, before hes worthy of HOY cinch status and Ghostzapper comparisons, hes gotta actually hook up with a real field and win. If you think that running away from Hemingway's Key(I still can't stop laughing about that) is going to be like running away from Invasor or Ghostzapper or Lava Man you have another thing coming. Horses like that arent gonna be defeated with one knockout punch move, that move will. propel you past the three year olds left standing and take you to victory, against horses like Flower Alley or Invasor they arent just gonna let you cruise by and open up. Bern has also never won a stretch duel and never been tested in a case like that.

I think Bernardini has no competition in the 3 year old ranks. In fact, he doesnt have much competition from the older horse division. Invasor, Flower Alley and Lava Man are about it in my opinion. The horse looked good on Saturday but man that was a horrible field, but he won like he should have won. With Electrocutionist in the classic along with Flower Alley and Lava Man and Invasor, I give Bernardini little chance of winning that race. Bernardini will win all the races against 3 year olds but he wont beat the ones above.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I think Bernardini has no competition in the 3 year old ranks. In fact, he doesnt have much competition from the older horse division. Invasor, Flower Alley and Lava Man are about it in my opinion. The horse looked good on Saturday but man that was a horrible field, but he won like he should have won. With Electrocutionist in the classic along with Flower Alley and Lava Man and Invasor, I give Bernardini little chance of winning that race. Bernardini will win all the races against 3 year olds but he wont beat the ones above.

I'm not ready to say he can't Euro, not at all. He may very well be the realest of deals. My opinion is that he hasn't beaten or done enough yet to concede that he will, and I have nothing against this horse or his connections or anything like that.
I just think its extremely irrational to declare him HOY and Ghostzapper-like for making a loose lead in the mud against horses like Hemingway's Key. Lets watch him win the Travers(which I have no doubt he will do) and then see how his last prep for the BC against older horses goes. I don't think its gonna be a Jim Dandy like result when he faces older horses.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I think Bernardini has no competition in the 3 year old ranks. In fact, he doesnt have much competition from the older horse division. Invasor, Flower Alley and Lava Man are about it in my opinion. The horse looked good on Saturday but man that was a horrible field, but he won like he should have won. With Electrocutionist in the classic along with Flower Alley and Lava Man and Invasor, I give Bernardini little chance of winning that race. Bernardini will win all the races against 3 year olds but he wont beat the ones above.

Bernardini will crush all of those horses. No question about it. He is in a league all by himself. The horse ran a 113 in the Preakness and a 114 in his public workout on Saturday. He is the best in a long long time.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Bernardini will crush all of those horses. No question about it. He is in a league all by himself. The horse ran a 113 in the Preakness and a 114 in his public workout on Saturday. He is the best in a long long time.

Long, long time....say what, like three or four months? What's a long time? Ghostzapper? Pleasantly Perfect?

This kind of superlative talk doesn't really help anybody. Good horse, sure, but come on, best in a long time? Unless long time is how good Like Now looked in that Gotham romp earlier this year, then your version of "long time" is a lot shorter than mine.

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Long, long time....say what, like three or four months? What's a long time? Ghostzapper? Pleasantly Perfect?

This kind of superlative talk doesn't really help anybody. Good horse, sure, but come on, best in a long time? Unless long time is how good Like Now looked in that Turfway romp earlier this year, then your version of "long time" is a lot shorter than mine.

He is better than Ghostzapper and Pleasantly Perfect. You don't throw up back to back beyers like that in effortless races. If his breeding wasn't so good I would question him, but you can't breed a better horse. It is impossible.

Originally Posted by boldruler

He is better than Ghostzapper and Pleasantly Perfect. You don't throw up back to back beyers like that in effortless races. If his breeding wasn't so good I would question him, but you can't breed a better horse. It is impossible.

Beyers again? They are for amateurs Ruler, strictly for novices. Sheets are universally accepted by owners trainers and agents. Beyers are mocked and laughed at.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by boldruler

He is better than Ghostzapper and Pleasantly Perfect. You don't throw up back to back beyers like that in effortless races. If his breeding wasn't so good I would question him, but you can't breed a better horse. It is impossible.

This is the funniest post I've read in a while. Thanks for the comic relief.

When freakin' Bernardini runs a 124 against the best horses on the planet, give me a shout.

Originally Posted by slotdirt

This is the funniest post I've read in a while. Thanks for the comic relief.

When freakin' Bernardini runs a 124 against the best horses on the planet, give me a shout.

AP Indy's only get faster. This is a horse that can run in the 120's whenever he wants. And he is 3, GZ was licking his wounds when he was 3.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by boldruler

AP Indy's only get faster. This is a horse that can run in the 120's whenever he wants. And he is 3, GZ was licking his wounds when he was 3.

Licking his wounds? WTF are you talking about?

http://www.drf.com/row/pps/ghostzapper.pdf#search='ghostzapper%20past%20perfo rmances'

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by boldruler

AP Indy's only get faster. This is a horse that can run in the 120's whenever he wants. And he is 3, GZ was licking his wounds when he was 3.

Do you jump on every bandwagon that comes along? LOL

Originally Posted by slotdirt

This is the funniest post I've read in a while. Thanks for the comic relief.

When freakin' Bernardini runs a 124 against the best horses on the planet, give me a shout.

This guy knows a guy who knows a guy who owns horses and in a few months he has mastered every avenue of horse knowledge and knows it all, it used to be funny, now its just sad.

Originally Posted by slotdirt

This is the funniest post I've read in a while. Thanks for the comic relief.

When freakin' Bernardini runs a 124 against the best horses on the planet, give me a shout.

AP Indy's only get faster. This is a horse that can run in the 120's whenever he wants. And he is 3, GZ was licking his wounds when he was 3.

"I think it was more impressive than when he ran in the Preakness (gr. I)," Albertrani said Sunday. "It was basically a public workout. He came out of it great. He came back as if he didn't even run."

Like he didn't even run, and he threw up a 114. Unbelievable. GZ would need another 3 months off like he did between all his races. GZ was an unsound horse, this horse is anything but.

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Like he didn't even run, and he threw up a 114. Unbelievable. GZ would need another 3 months off like he did between all his races. GZ was an unsound horse, this horse is anything but.

I give it to you, in a soundness competition, Bernardini wins....but, uh, is that what everyone is talking about?

[KY_Sasquash]

Originally Posted by boldruler

AP Indy's only get faster. This is a horse that can run in the 120's whenever he wants. And he is 3, GZ was licking his wounds when he was 3.

"I think it was more impressive than when he ran in the Preakness (gr. I)," Albertrani said Sunday. "It was basically a public workout. He came out of it great. He came back as if he didn't even run."

Like he didn't even run, and he threw up a 114. Unbelievable. GZ would need another 3 months off like he did between all his races. GZ was an unsound horse, this horse is anything but.

Bernardini was awesome, he has great action, and is definitely something special. One thing to keep in mind is that you have to take into consideration how the horse won the race, in this case it was loose on the lead on a track that played to speed, especially after the rain. He might be all that, but he's no lock vs older horses in the Breeders Cup. He's the best 3yo, but he still has to face older horses where he'll be looked in the eye the entire way and wont be able to just gallop our there. Flower Alley basically did the same thing last year, won by 5.5 w/ 112 beyer. GZ did have some soundness issues, but Frankel also gave him plenty of time to recover from those awesome efforts and his race in the Kings Bishop was just as impressive.

Originally Posted by boldruler

He is better than Ghostzapper and Pleasantly Perfect. You don't throw up back to back beyers like that in effortless races. If his breeding wasn't so good I would question him, but you can't breed a better horse. It is impossible.

To hell with the GD breeding. Its what they do on the track.

You are comparing a 3 year old with horses that won multiple GI's against older horses. Thats just plain silly.