Derby Futures Pool 1 (2/7-10)

[Scav]

Churchill Downs has given me a free $25 future wager so I'll probably play Anak Nakal, he should at least get there, and has the talent so what the hell, probably be decent odds since he isn't racing this weekend and people will forget about him after they unload on the winners of this weekend

[justindew]

No Barrier Reef (not nominated, but I am alomst positive CD has included non-nominees before).

No Check It Twice (Stakes winner at 2, under Pletcher's care, gets JV this weekend at FG).

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by justindew

No Barrier Reef (not nominated, but I am alomst positive CD has included non-nominees before).

No Check It Twice (Stakes winner at 2, under Pletcher's care, gets JV this weekend at FG).

Yes but you forgot to mention the REAL oversight....the 10f monster herself.....Indian Blessing! I guess they just assume that Baffert might skip the Derby afterall, so he can have a fresh horse for the Belmont.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by justindew

No Barrier Reef (not nominated, but I am alomst positive CD has included non-nominees before).

No Check It Twice (Stakes winner at 2, under Pletcher's care, gets JV this weekend at FG).

They have included non nominees, and got their heads handed to them for doing so.

Check it Twice should be on the list.

Todd sounded more likely to go to dirt with Cowboy Cal a month or so ago when his only major dirt colt was Monba. Now that he has a couple moe to deal with he is less likely to use CC on dirt. Thus CC doesn't look like a great choice either. As for Georgie Boy, do the selectors not follow the maiden and allowance programs at GP/FG/SA at all? That's the best they could come up with?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Check it Twice is nominated.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by Linny

They have included non nominees, and got their heads handed to them for doing so.

Why?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

dennis of cork struggled to get up in his last.the cali horses need to get a run on a dirt surface..Its feb..and of those mentioned crown of thorns is the best of all .giant moon gets a ding fom this guy..and no mention of zitos other horses....at this point its pretty foggy......

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

dennis of cork struggled to get up in his last..

Denis of Cork hated the off going in that ALW race according to everyone involved with him.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Denis of Cork hated the off going in that ALW race according to everyone involved with him.

Did they ask him?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Did they ask him?

Saw it on his facebook page..

[IrishofNDMan]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Saw it on his facebook page..

Me too!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Did they ask him?

All this Dennis of Cork and Anak Nakal stuff I just don't get.

They ran a ton of 2yo races that day at Churchill - and the filly sprinter American County flat out stole the show from the 2yo races that day.

She ran six furlongs in 1:08 2/5ths and a few races later Dennis Of Cork won his debut in 1:22 2/5ths - basically, AC running a raw Beyer figure 17 points faster than DofC.

There were more than a few horses who earned themselves A LOT of hype on that card - for running races that make themselves look like slowpokes by comparison with American County's race that day.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

All this Dennis of Cork and Anak Nakal stuff I just don't get.

They ran a ton of 2yo races that day at Churchill - and the filly sprinter American County flat out stole the show from the 2yo races that day.

She ran six furlongs in 1:08 2/5ths and a few races later Dennis Of Cork won his debut in 1:22 2/5ths - basically, AC running a raw Beyer figure 17 points faster than DofC.

There were more than a few horses who earned themselves A LOT of hype on that card - for running races that make themselves look like slowpokes by comparison with American County's race that day.

There's always way too much hype for the " they won at Churchill " horses. However, it's a better year than most to be unproven and on the cusp of being slow. I'm not so sure about Anak Nakal but I know someone that's very high on him. We'll see.

I'm confused by Check it Twice. His races prior to his last were OK but nothing special and considering what we've seen from Coal Play in his last two I'm really not sure what to make of the race. Maybe Check It Twice exists in a bubble, but to me there is more contrary evidence to him than positive. However, I agree with you that Pletcher rates to move him up.....but for how long? However, at least he has one possibly fast race, which is more than you can say for most 3YOs getting hype these days.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm not so sure about Anak Nakal but I know someone that's very high on him. We'll see.

From watching his three races, he makes Great Point look like a fine talent...and Andromeda's Hero look like a superstar.

If he can only toss a figure in the Mid 80's with a great trip - and is getting a lot of hype for it - I'll pass.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Is American County the Roman's that came back and won the Sunshine Millions sprint?

Yes

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think those who wanted to play Check It Twice this time will be happy come May 3rd when they aren't ripping up a losing pool 1 future ticket.

Only one horse will win - lots of future tickets will be torn. And it still is a comical error to not include a horse in the field who could easily take more money than half of the horses in the lineup.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Especially since Coal Play has come back to run 2 awful races.

I know - but he was loose in a route that day - and outsprinted in his two GP duds.

The number that day at CRC really was solid - there were a lot of routes.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

dennis of cork struggled to get up in his last.the cali horses need to get a run on a dirt surface..Its feb..and of those mentioned crown of thorns is the best of all .giant moon gets a ding fom this guy..and no mention of zitos other horses....at this point its pretty foggy......

I agree. Still foggy and early.
I like Denis of Cork, not sure if he will be a big time horse or just a nice horse... I give him a little slack for that last race. With the track being off, Borel kind of sacraficed his usuall style to just win the race. Borel felt he was much the best, and he did the job, although it was workman-like and not flashy. I think it would have appeared much more impressive had the track been fast. Borel supposedly has commited to Turf War, and a jockey choice would be key for DoC. Who else can time and rally so well as Borel? Leparoux isn't terrible, but is he a Derby jockey?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

I agree. Still foggy and early.
I like Denis of Cork, not sure if he will be a big time horse or just a nice horse... I give him a little slack for that last race. With the track being off, Borel kind of sacraficed his usuall style to just win the race. Borel felt he was much the best, and he did the job, although it was workman-like and not flashy. I think it would have appeared much more impressive had the track been fast. Borel supposedly has commited to Turf War, and a jockey choice would be key for DoC. Who else can time and rally so well as Borel? Leparoux isn't terrible, but is he a Derby jockey?

To answer the last part, I think Leparoux is a Derby jockey and last I heard he will be on Court Vision when he returns and that is his mount indefinitely.

NT

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

To answer the last part, I think Leparoux is a Derby jockey and last I heard he will be on Court Vision when he returns and that is his mount indefinitely.

NT

thanks ! good info. They seem to be a pretty good fit.