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[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by sumitas

Horses can improve so I understand Steve's point.

** hiccup **

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Fischer really needs to hone his trip handicapping skills (among other things). And when you quote him, I'm left to read his amateurish assessment of races.

This horse was PUSHED on the backstretch to get into contention in POODLE fractions, and then was all out, under steady whipping to get by the leader in the stretch. Why in the world would anyone want him back; and at a short price too? But understanding the layoff is the key. Uh huh.

The Fat Man is one of the best trip handicapper's I have spoken with. For whatever reason he is anti-social. He really is close to genius with his trip handicapping. Believe it or not we used to communicate in a civil manner.

Originally Posted by BF

BF: "Hey Fat Man

Hope all is well with you.
Derby is here.

Do you have any opinions on the draw and various contenders?

My main win contenders are Street Sense, Hard Spun, Curlin. ..."

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

"TFM: it's almost as comical over there as it is on PA. ******* has a new thread pointing out that the Beyer for *********** is inflated and he got a biased trip. NO ****. Like I ever thought this horse is much. I cashed at 2:1 in the ****** and went on my way.
And ********** is bitching about the fact that ********* didn't try for the lead. I watched *******'s 3 previous races: he's a dead DRAFTER. He drafted bigtime against *****, didn't pick up his feet against NoCount and.."
"

We actually exchanged daily notes, many emails, pps, charts, velocity, but our "friendship" ended when I was unwilling to trade bris PPs for fat-charts for a week while family was in town.

Now that means I am on permanent "ignore" and am a lousy judge of races...

Whatever Fat Man. It isn't that serious. Horseplaying is an individual game. The nature of the beast says that you have to have an ego, and you have to to be an individualist. (other than pooling for carryovers or high-fives...) I never altered a bet for a Fat Man opinion, and he sure as hell didn't for one of mine. I respect your talent but life is too short to get crabby over something "trivial"...

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

** hiccup **

For sure Bobby.

Why let anti-social feelings rule ? Why do I get the feeling DaHoss is stalking me and harrassing me on this board. Because he is. Not a good thing to do.

I've asked DaHoss and BTW to stay on subject but I guess you all can't control your impulses. I know a place that can help you. As a matter of fact I even work there. It is a very secure place. A safe place to exorcize your demons.

I like being friendly. I hope we can agree to civility at least.

[TheSpyder]

Just to put my 2 cents in, I think Titan takes it by two

Spyder

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Sumitas, get a grip man. How am I being uncivil here? Stalking you? Harassing you? I responded to the thread and it had nothing to do with you. Don't flatter yourself. Don't try and spin your idiocy into you being a victim.

[blackthroatedwind]

One day people here will stop taking short prices on turf horses when they run on the dirt.

A man can dream.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

One day people here will stop taking short prices on turf horses when they run on the dirt.

A man can dream.

that reminds me...that horse we discussed back at the beginning of November, My Otrebor, hasn't been seen since that race.

I feel confident you are just as concerned regarding his whereabouts as I am...

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by GPK

that reminds me...that horse we discussed back at the beginning of November, My Otrebor, hasn't been seen since that race.

I feel confident you are just as concerned regarding his whereabouts as I am...

I have no idea who he ( or she ) is and have no memory of the conversation.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

One day people here will stop taking short prices on turf horses when they run on the dirt.

A man can dream.

What's odd, for those wondering what Titan is doing in this race, is that Illman just picked Atwell for 2nd. I can't make sense of why that horse is not sprinting on the turf.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I have no idea who he ( or she ) is and have no memory of the conversation.

old age is a b*tch...memory is the 2nd thing that goes...

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17903

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

What's odd, for those wondering what Titan is doing in this race, is that Illman just picked Atwell for 2nd. I can't make sense of why that horse is not sprinting on the turf.

You need look no further than his trainer.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by GPK

old age is a b*tch...memory is the 2nd thing that goes...

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17903

Now I remember. I think Jimmy Toner trains him.

It's not easy to get into Maiden Turf races at Gulfstream. He'll probably show up.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Now I remember. I think Jimmy Toner trains him.

It's not easy to get into Maiden Turf races at Gulfstream. He'll probably show up.

Thank God...my feelings were almost hurt there for a minute...

[blackthroatedwind]

Silly racetrack rumor is occasionally right. I'm not sure what this says about the rest of the field but that horse certainly ran OK.

Probably a better bet at 9:2 than a turf horse at 2:1.

I clearly need to spend more time on Face Book.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Silly racetrack rumor is occasionally right. I'm not sure what this says about the rest of the field but that horse certainly ran OK.

Probably a better bet at 9:2 than a turf horse at 2:1.

I clearly need to spend more time on Face Book.

I will go ahead and reserve your page

www.facebook.com/duncecap

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

he looked very nice on the track......congrats.

Did he look nice or did his competition dress him up?

I'll go with the latter.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I clearly need to spend more time on Face Book.

Is that where you post as this guy....

[GPK]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Is that where you post as this guy....

I gotta get me a couple them thumb rings...

I'd like to see how dumpy that broad looks 10 years from now.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Obviously early season 2yo Beyers are tricky - they seem to come back VERY fast in races at distances shorter than six furlongs - and when they run in routes, especially two turn ones, the times always prove much slower than expected.

Top early 2yo's can show short term speed on par with the fastest of elite sprinters. However, the further they go, the more they struggle..at least until late season.

However, even with the A. P. Indy - and the Beyer figure that was a 1/20 shot to improve markedly with that time between starts - that horse was still to much of a reach I thought.