NBA At the Half

[Mortimer]

You are wrong. Peralta was the league leader 2 years ago...but point well taken about the overrated Sizemore.



By the way......how did they beat the Spurs then with just Parker out?

You admit you do agree the supporting cast is a fine one...yet you insist on trying to imply it's a one man team. It just ain't gonna work.You'll have yourself twisted into a pretzel with that frustrated approach of yours.

[horseofcourse]

Strikeouts

2007...Sizemore 155, Peralta 146
2006...Sizemore 153, Peralta 152
2005...Sizemore 132, Peralta 128

I am good at math an I am quite certain it is impossible Peralta ever led the league in strikeouts at any point in time with someone on his own team surapssing him. Sizemore is far from overrated. Despite his strikeouts he is always on base, and can play defense despite a poor arm. A .390 OBP from your leadoff hitter is quite doable I must say. I'll take 174 hits and 101 walks from him each and every year.

With everyone healthy it is an average supporting cast. The 3 man Gooden, Varejao, Ilgauskas frontline rotation is quite good. The guard play is poor. A point guard doesn't exist which is why LeBron has to play that position for the most part. Put it all together it is at best average.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

You are wrong. Peralta was the league leader 2 years ago...but point well taken about the overrated Sizemore.



By the way......how did they beat the Spurs then with just Parker out?

You admit you do agree the supporting cast is a fine one...yet you insist on trying to imply it's a one man team. It just ain't gonna work.You'll have yourself twisted into a pretzel with that frustrated approach of yours.

That would be Curtis Granderson who was the league leader 2 years ago. Easy to mistake him with Jhonny Peralta considering the similar spellings of their names I guess.

[Mortimer]

I am going to check your work as I believe you are wrong on the strikeouts.


But you certainly have proven Here'sJhonny is a fine contact man.Also thought the 'Sizemore is a excellent defensive player despite the poor arm' ( ) was to die for.

When Sasha is in shape the defense a 6-7 shooting guard gives along with a 44% fg average ...a lot of teams would like that,too.Name the teams who have a better 3 big man rotation.





How does an average supporting cast knock out the Pistons?




You have LeBron Leblindness.......don't worry...most people do.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

I am going to check your work as I believe you are wrong on the strikeouts.


But you certainly have proven Here'sJhonny is a fine contact man.Also thought the 'Sizemore is a excellent defensive player despite the poor arm' ( ) was to die for.

When Sasha is in shape the defense a 6-7 shooting guard gives along with a 44% fg average ...a lot of teams would like that,too.Name the teams who have a better 3 big man rotation.





How does an average supporting cast knock out the Pistons?




You have LeBron Leblindness.......don't worry...most people do.

Well, the average supporting cast could knock out the Pistons because they have LeBron James on their team....that one is quite simple. It's simple...the "championship" teams usually have multiple go to guys...(Parker, Duncan, Ginobili) (Wade, Shaq) (billups, Wallace, Hamilton, Prince) (Kobe, Shaq). Even Jordan had Pippen and rodman and Kukoc etc. I don't think anyone on the Cavs team is that caliber of player. They're not terrible, they're just average. Regarding the 3 big rotation, I think if you have one or two that are far superior players perhaps that outweighs the 3...ie San Antonio, Orlando are two to look at...the Lakers with Bynum and Odom as well...the Suns with Stoudamire and Marion. Perhaps Utah with Boozer, Kirelenko, Okur. The 3 do well for cleveland, but many teams have many things at those spots.

Sizemore has won a gold glove. Perhaps undeservedly, but he can go get fly balls.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Well, the average supporting cast could knock out the Pistons because they have LeBron James on their team( LeBron LeBlindness Could Miami fair as well with James? Ah don't thank so.)....that one is quite simple.( You are simpler) It's simple...the "championship" teams usually have multiple go to guys...(Parker, Duncan, Ginobili) (Wade, Shaq) (billups, Wallace, Hamilton, Prince) (Kobe, Shaq). Even Jordan had Pippen and rodman and Kukoc etc. I don't think anyone on the Cavs team is that caliber of player.( Only I never said they were a championship team...just the best in the East last year.) They're not terrible, they're just average.( The best in the East last year.. Detroit was less than average..it seems) Regarding the 3 big rotation, I think if you have one or two that are far superior players perhaps that outweighs the 3...ie San Antonio, Orlando are two to look at...the Lakers with Bynum and Odom as well...the Suns with Stoudamire and Marion. Perhaps Utah with Boozer, Kirelenko, Okur. ( [b]Well that's PERHAPS 5[/B]...I'll overlook your poor judgement and ask how only 5 teams being better in your hollowman mind mkaes the Cavs average?) The 3 do well for cleveland, but many teams have many things at those spots. ( Do well...for Cleveland???)

Sizemore has won a gold glove. Perhaps undeservedly, but he can go get fly balls.

( Yes...I don't see how an outfielder with a GO DIRECTLY TO THIRD BASE arm can win a gg)

Lebron is the most gifted athlete
I have ever seen in basketball.

This does not make him the best
player for a TEAM.

He must improve his outside shot.
He must imrove his decision making
in the final moments. He as a long way
to go. The brain will catch up with the
body because he is a good kid and he
wants very badly to win.

The Spurs shut Lebron down in the playoffs
last year with not an athlete near is capability.
How does that happen? He had not a clue
that he did not need to bring the ball up,
that he needed to be setup. Close game,
he takes the ball and just charges the basket.
Its not that easy against good teams.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Lebron is the most gifted athlete
I have ever seen in basketball.

This does not make him the best
player for a TEAM.

He must improve his outside shot.
He must imrove his decision making
in the final moments. He as a long way
to go. The brain will catch up with the
body because he is a good kid and he
wants very badly to win.

The Spurs shut Lebron down in the playoffs
last year with not an athlete near is capability.
How does that happen? He had not a clue
that he did not need to bring the ball up,
that he needed to be setup. Close game,
he takes the ball and just charges the basket.
Its not that easy against good teams.

You obviously haven't watched him much...or their team much. He rarely if ever makes a bad decision in the final moments. Sometimes he misses or his teammate misses. Sure he can improve his shot. It is not terrible as those like to insinuate. HE has nowhere to go. He is the best already...best in the game late, best early, best clutch, best period.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

You obviously haven't watched him much...or their team much. He rarely if ever makes a bad decision in the final moments. Sometimes he misses or his teammate misses. Sure he can improve his shot. It is not terrible as those like to insinuate. HE has nowhere to go. He is the best already...best in the game late, best early, best clutch, best period.

You have watched him play against inferior teams.
I have watched him take absolutely horrific
shots in crunch time and have them go in and draw air.
I watch him try the same thing against good teams
and fail miserably.

Good players and good teams make easy baskets
in crunch time. Get wide open looks or layups.
How many easy baskets did he get against the
Spurs in the last part of the game during the Championship?
How many easy shots did he get the entire series?
Good teams stop opposing teams from doing this
and make it difficult on guys that must have control.

And if you dont think Lebron can improve. You will
never see a ring in Cleveland. Ever.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by pgardn

You have watched him play against inferior teams.
I have watched him take absolutely horrific
shots in crunch time and have them go in and draw air.
I watch him try the same thing against good teams
and fail miserably.

Good players and good teams make easy baskets
in crunch time. Get wide open looks or layups.
How many easy baskets did he get against the
Spurs in the last part of the game during the Championship?
How many easy shots did he get the entire series?
Good teams stop opposing teams from doing this
and make it difficult on guys that must have control.

And if you dont think Lebron can improve. You will
never see a ring in Cleveland. Ever.

Almost another 100% fine work.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by pgardn

You have watched him play against inferior teams.
I have watched him take absolutely horrific
shots in crunch time and have them go in and draw air.
I watch him try the same thing against good teams
and fail miserably.

Good players and good teams make easy baskets
in crunch time. Get wide open looks or layups.
How many easy baskets did he get against the
Spurs in the last part of the game during the Championship?
How many easy shots did he get the entire series?
Good teams stop opposing teams from doing this
and make it difficult on guys that must have control.

And if you dont think Lebron can improve. You will
never see a ring in Cleveland. Ever.

I don't know...just in the last two weeks I saw him go into San Antonio and make the game winning shot. I saw him go into LA and make game winning shots and free throws. I saw him go into Portland and make game winning shot...and shot after shot after shot down by 11 with 3 minutes left. Are those all inferior teams he was getting game winning shots against?? What do you people watch?? that's not clutch?? Game winning shots two years ago against Wash in the playoffs...twice?? game 5 against Detroit last year?? Where is the not clutch?? I never said he couldn't get better. I simply said he was already the best player in the game. He is not a good free throw shooter at all. That needs to improve without question.

the finals last year was against a team that outmatched them. Although Larry Hughes is not a good player...he is still a starter and a double digit scorer for them...he could not even take the court the last two games. I saw Tim Duncan have horrendous shooting games in the finals last year. I saw Ginobili have some bad games...I saw both have good games also. The key being that they have 3 stars on their team to compensate. Tell me how many stars the Cavs have on their team?? Despite being outmatched, they lost the last two games by a combined 4 points. I saw LeBron take a 3 pointer to tie in game 3 and get fouled quite obviously in plain view. HE couldnt' get easy baskets that series...I dont' think the Spurs were either judging by their lack of impressive point totals excluding game 2.

So you really think every single basket the Spurs make is a layup and easy look in crunch time?? IF scoring in the NBA were so easy every team would shoot 100 percent all the time because they could simply get easy baskets right?

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying here. Perfection in a human basketball player is not attainable which seems to be the standard to which you want this guy to attain. Of course he doesn't succeed every single game and every single moment.

HE doesn't make a team better?? Riddle me this. Before LeBron got to cleveland the franchise had 4 playoff series wins in 35 years of existence. Since LeBron got there they have 4 playoff series wins in the last 2 years. Explain to me how he hasn't made that TEAM better?? And no, I am not buying mr mortimers superb supporting cast theory.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

You obviously haven't watched him much...or their team much. He rarely if ever makes a bad decision in the final moments. Sometimes he misses or his teammate misses. Sure he can improve his shot. It is not terrible as those like to insinuate. HE has nowhere to go. He is the best already...best in the game late, best early, best clutch, best period.

You are truly nuts.


I have seen him dribble away the last 20 seconds!!




I've sseen him take shots throughout the game and in closing that anyone else would get drawn and quartered for! And he doesn't make them...either!!

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Lebron is the most gifted athlete
I have ever seen in basketball.

This does not make him the best
player for a TEAM.

He must improve his outside shot.
He must imrove his decision making
in the final moments. He as a long way
to go. The brain will catch up with the
body because he is a good kid and he
wants very badly to win.

The Spurs shut Lebron down in the playoffs
last year with not an athlete near is capability.
How does that happen? He had not a clue
that he did not need to bring the ball up,
that he needed to be setup. Close game,
he takes the ball and just charges the basket.
Its not that easy against good teams.

Almost 100% fine work.