O/U: how many times

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Of course they don't have limited goals - and there leadership is obviously very rational and competent when it comes to fighting the way they have since they openly declared war on us.

The top two guys in their orginization have done a masterful job of outmaneuvering us and trapping us all along.

If they really anticipated that by executing the 9/11 attacks, they could bait our government into an invasion of both Afghanistan in Iraq - with Iraq being the primary focus - I think that must have been like hitting an inside straight and showing unthinkable tactical brilliance.

I remember in the days after 9/11 when an overwhelming amount of people swore bin Laden would be captured and Al Qadea would be dismantled within just weeks. They would argue because they wildly underestimated bin Laden.

It goes without saying that you must make an ALL OUT effort to try and capture or kill bin Laden and Al-Zhuari.

Without Al Qadea - there are simply no such networks that are any threat to us. Anyone who believes there are also probably believes in the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, and Santa.

There are Al Qadea who have moved into Iraq and blended in since Suddam's government fell - these Al Qadea that are in Iraq now are the sh!t eating, low-IQ, crazed extremist recruits. They are there to cautiously raise hell - and they are most of all planted there to keep us in Iraq for as long as possible.

If we leave Iraq - you will see a spastic amount of violence from this group, they will also declare victory over us - but that would be the single biggest blow to Al Qadea's ultimate goal.

You need not even know who they are what they are about - if you simply just read what bin Laden wrote in his declaration of War against us - you will know that Al Qadea desperately wants us and needs us in Iraq.

I don't know how you can debate effectively with someone when they choose to ignore the facts and take everything our government says as the truth. Here is alot of evidence to prove that you are right and to show how completely ridiculous our current foreign policy. I already posted a link to the origins on Al-Qaeda in another post to support the argument that we (mostly you) are making because I don't think the other messages got through. At the end are videos that I think every American should watch. WAKE UP AMERICA, and start thinking!

You are right. Osama bin Laden is a very soft-spoken man. Also, we have been engaged in more wars since we have established our intervention foreign policy than we ever did when we had the non-intervention foreign policy. In addition, the Pearl Harbor argument is weak because our intervention-based foreign policy obviously didn't stop 9/11 from occurring. On the contrary...

bin Laden on why he attacked the U.S. The correct translation that the government doesn't want you to see...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dls5JTD-uG0

Here is something that the U.S. government would have never let you seen on TV. Thank you youtube. Benazir Bhutta saying that Osama bin Laden was murdered in Pakistan just before she was assassinated. Notice how the reporter in England doesn't question her on what she said. Does the rest of the world know something that Americans don't?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg

And here is the Wikipedia article on our joke of a foreign policy called PNAC which calls for a NWO. Notice that Bill Kristol is the founder. Yes, that is Bill Kristol from Fox News. Whoever doesn't think that the government has control of the media is living in a fantasy world. Notice how it would be very easy for our civil liberties to be infringed upon based on this foreign policy, not to even mention trying the fact that it does really sound like the government is trying to rule the world based on this document. Also, notice very carefully that PNAC "couldn't have been accomplished in a short amount of time unless a new Pearl Harbor occurred". A new study finds that at 60% of Americans find that the government was at least negligent throughout 9/11.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...erican_Century

And people have the audacity to wonder why Ron Paul does have quite a few supporters. He is the the only one in the GOP race that has any damn sense concerning foreign policy.

Here is some other evidence to think about concerning 9/11. The Japanese Parliament on January 10, 2008 stated that 9/11 was definitely allowed to occur or an inside job. They present stock trading evidence to support this claim, in addition to tons of other evidence. Yet, why weren't we told of this? Shouldn't this story about the Japanese Parliament's testimonies be circulating in the MSM? Just throwing it out there as it is something to think about.... I haven't come to a final conclusion on these findings yet.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=A43IxJcFJEw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t-dZiNE9NI&NR=1

You can find all of the other videos of this discussion made by the Japanese Parliament on youtube.

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

And people have the audacity to wonder why Ron Paul does have quite a few supporters. He is the the only one in the GOP race that has any damn sense concerning foreign policy.

This man is one of the biggest racists
in Texas. Jeez Louise... Take a look at
his past. He has quite a few supporters
because he SAYS some things that make
sense. But actions say otherwise.

Take a look and find out what this
man said about pickpocketing in
DC. You just dont take what a man
says right now and forget everything else.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This man is one of the biggest racists
in Texas. Jeez Louise... Take a look at
his past. He has quite a few supporters
because he SAYS some things that make
sense. But actions say otherwise.

Take a look and find out what this
man said about pickpocketing in
DC. You just dont take what a man
says right now and forget everything else.

You don't forget everything else, but you can forgive it.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

You don't forget everything else, but you can forgive it.

Its very hard to forgive a
person who can suck people
in like a Hitler. He is so fake
it makes me want to puke.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This man is one of the biggest racists
in Texas. Jeez Louise... Take a look at
his past. He has quite a few supporters
because he SAYS some things that make
sense. But actions say otherwise.

Take a look and find out what this
man said about pickpocketing in
DC. You just dont take what a man
says right now and forget everything else.

you can't argue with youtube. silly!

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you can't argue with youtube. silly!

Sure you can, at least, with some of them...what made you come to that conclusion?

The videos that I presented from the Japanese Parliament, Benazir Bhutto, and Osama bin Laden are real. Why? Because they were shown on national television in other countries. Just not here in the U.S. Now, the validity of the evidence in their testimonies can be disputed if proper evidence was proven to the contrary, but the actual words that came out of their mouths while on national TV cannot.

Was Osama bin Laden really murdered? That can be disputed. Did Benazir Bhutto really say that? You cannot dispute that as it has already been established as a proven fact that she said it. You get the idea...

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Sure you can...what made you come to that conclusion?

The videos that I presented from the Japanese Parliament cannot be argued against. The video of Benazir Bhutto cannot be argued against. The video of Osama bin Laden that I showed cannot be argued against. Why? Because they were shown on national televisions in other countries. Just not here in the U.S. Now the validity of the evidence in their testimonies could possibly be disputed by factual evidence, but the actual words that came out of their mouths cannot.

^^^ Eats live frog.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Sure you can, at least, with some of them...what made you come to that conclusion?

The videos that I presented from the Japanese Parliament, Benazir Bhutto, and Osama bin Laden are real. Why? Because they were shown on national television in other countries. Just not here in the U.S. Now, the validity of the evidence in their testimonies can be disputed if proper evidence was proven to the contrary, but the actual words that came out of their mouths while on national TV cannot.

Was Osama bin Laden really murdered? That can be disputed. Did Benazir Bhutto really say that? You cannot dispute that as it has already been established as a proven fact that she said it. You get the idea...

you're convinced your own govt is lying to you about pretty much everything, but you're willing to believe that something is real because other countries' tv showed it?? wow. maybe those other countries govts also control their media, and they made videos show what they wished....

maybe i'm not even typing this. maybe some cia hack has taken over my keyboard....

or not.

and they wonder why our social security will go broke in 20 years.....

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you're convinced your own govt is lying to you about pretty much everything, but you're willing to believe that something is real because other countries' tv showed it?? wow. maybe those other countries govts also control their media, and they made videos show what they wished....

maybe i'm not even typing this. maybe some cia hack has taken over my keyboard....

or not.

and they wonder why our social security will go broke in 20 years.....

I couldn't care a less what other countries do. I am only concerned about my country, and you cannot argue with the FACT that Benazir Bhutto said that on England's television.

What, and you don't think they're lying to us? Where have you been? Hello, Iraq war... the study that was just all over the news that said that the Bush administration had lied to the people 935 times.

When multiple other countries say it and question it, yes. I think any one is a fool to be so close-minded about these things. All you have to do is read our foreign policy document. And I will not argue with you until you read it and understand its implications.

Just for the record, I don't think that lie about everything. I just think it is very corrupt and that they are lying to us. Am I so wrong to question what our government is doing? Didn't you just say in a few posts back or in a different thread that our government was corrupt as well?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I couldn't care a less what other countries do. I am only concerned about my country, and you cannot argue with the FACT that Benazir Bhutto said that on England's television.

What, and you don't think they're lying to us? Where have you been? Hello, Iraq war... the study that was just all over the news that said that the Bush administration had lied to the people 935 times.

When multiple other countries say it and question it, yes. I think any one is a fool to be so close-minded about these things. All you have to do is read our foreign policy document. And I will not argue with you until you read it obviously are very ignorant.

Just for the record, I don't think that lie about everything. I just think it is very corrupt and that they are lying to us. Am I so wrong to question what our government is doing? Didn't you just say in a few posts back or in a different thread that our government was corrupt as well?

Our government might be corrupt, but for you to discount the idea that maybe... just MAYBE other governments might be corrupt as well is ludicrous. You can't believe everything you see on TV.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I couldn't care a less what other countries do. I am only concerned about my country, and you cannot argue with the FACT that Benazir Bhutto said that on England's television.

What, and you don't think they're lying to us? Where have you been? Hello, Iraq war... the study that was just all over the news that said that the Bush administration had lied to the people 935 times.

When multiple other countries say it and question it, yes. I think any one is a fool to be so close-minded about these things. All you have to do is read our foreign policy document. And I will not argue with you until you read it and understand its implications.

Just for the record, I don't think that lie about everything. I just think it is very corrupt and that they are lying to us. Am I so wrong to question what our government is doing? Didn't you just say in a few posts back or in a different thread that our government was corrupt as well?

oh, don't worry about arguing with me. i'm not interested. i just think it's funny that you expect so little from your fellow countrymen and women, and so much from other countries.

but out of curiosity, how do you reconcile those bolded sentences above?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I couldn't care a less what other countries do. I am only concerned about my country

I really don't want to get involved in this conversation, but this is by far one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen on a message board.

Do you realize that the US is dependent on other countries for alot of their goods/supplies/equipment? And that some of these goods/supplies/equipment CAN NOT be found in the US or is too EXPENSIVE to make in the US?

I am assuming that everything you purchase is MADE IN THE USA and you use E-85 for your car.

In this global world, EVERY country matters, regardless how big or small they are, because they are involved in something that the US needs, wants, or wants to protect

So to my point, you very much should care what is going on in other countries, because it will end up affecting you in some way or matter.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Just for the record, I don't think that lie about everything. I just think it is very corrupt and that they are lying to us. Am I so wrong to question what our government is doing? Didn't you just say in a few posts back or in a different thread that our government was corrupt as well?

You are out of your mind. The government can do whatever they want and they shouldn't have to deal with people bitching and moaning all the time. They aint ****ing with me so I can care less what they do in other countries, unless they start killing people that don't deserve to get popped. And don't give me this crap about being in a war and this and that. EVERY SINGLE one of those people over in Iraq had the choice to sign up for the armed forces or go to college, or to get a job out of high school.

I absolutely, 100%, respect what they are doing, I could never do it, but people like you saying you want peace and this and that, who are you to speak for them? I have a couple friends that are in the armed forces and trust me, they knew EXACTLY what they could be getting into when they signed the dotted line and got their heads shaved.

Say what you want about this government, but this f'n country is DAMN GOOD, there isn't another country I would rather live in, and there are people daily trying to GET to this country because of how we operate. There are many flaws, but if their were no flaws, we would need no government.

As far as lying to me, I would rather not know about all the crap they have to deal with. I have enough BS in my own life to cope with

BRING BACK PINNACLE SPORTS and OFFSHORE WAGERING!!!

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This man is one of the biggest racists
in Texas. Jeez Louise... Take a look at
his past. He has quite a few supporters
because he SAYS some things that make
sense. But actions say otherwise.

Take a look and find out what this
man said about pickpocketing in
DC. You just dont take what a man
says right now and forget everything else.

Please point me to a link that talks about Ron Paul's statements about pickpocketing because I can't find the information on pick-pocketing anywhere.

Also, the HardBall with Chris Matthews when Ron Paul was his guest are all over the internet. Yet, I can't find where he mentioned the Civil War...Perhaps you were talking about Tim Russert.

Look, Ron Paul did write some things that weren't politically correct in the past. I know that. I don't ignore that. But, I forgive him because I don't have any other choice but to vote for him. It is my duty as an American to keep the war loving GOPs out of the presidency.

In addition, he is more successful that most would ever hope to be, and makes more money than most would ever hope to. He made it at one of the top universities in the country that many people flunk out of, and he got an MD from there no less. So, logical thinking leads me to believe he isn't the idiot that some on here make him out to be. He is a doctor and he keeps getting elected. I guess the Texans that keep electing him over and over again must ALL be stupid

I thought you were supposed to be a professor? So, why don't you present a valid argument about the issues at stake here instead of spewing out false and weak statements. Because you are just wasting your time otherwise. Those of us who support Ron Paul are in it for the long run. And obviously, Ron Paul supporters have to possess a lot of integrity and guts to admit the unfavorable view that the mainstream media gives us. I respect anyone who goes against the odds to support him.

BTW, who's your candidate?

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Please point me to a link that talks about Ron Paul's statements about pickpocketing because I can't find the information on pick-pocketing anywhere.

Also, the HardBall with Chris Matthews when Ron Paul was his guest are all over the internet. Yet, I can't find where he mentioned the Civil War...Perhaps you were talking about Tim Russert.

Look, Ron Paul did write some things that weren't politically correct in the past, but he is more successful that most would ever hope to be, and makes more money than most would ever hope to. I guess the Texans that keep electing him over and over again must ALL be stupid

I thought you were supposed to be a professor? So, why don't you present a valid argument about the issues at stake here instead of spewing out false and weak statements.

Who's your candidate?

You are absolutely correct.
It was Tim Russert.
So go find that and explain to me what he said.
Tell me where I minced words.

Yes all the Texans in his sweet little
rich corner of the world in a wealthy
Houston area. Anyone can get elected to
the House.
Marion Barry was elected
again after getting busted for drugs.
Cant rich white people be as stupid?

Politically correct?

Professor? I am a lowly Physics teacher.

And I dont care what the issues are in his case.
He is a certified nut imo. He is so out of bounds
I cant even consider him as a viable person
to be in government (which he would rather
did not exist)

There is so much crap from this guy I dont
have the time. I will try and find his statement
about the pickpockets. But you dig for the rest
if you really care.

My candidate:
I dont know.
It will be very difficult
between Obama and McCain.
Wont be Hillary. If it is Romney
and Hillary, I guess Romney.
Probably McCain. But I am
wavering because he is pandering
so much right now to get elected.
Which I realize is necessary.

[Mortimer]

^^^ Has no idea who this guy is.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Why are you guys wasting so much time arguing about a guy who has zero chance of getting the GOP nomination?

^^^Wants to vote for Perot,but afraid to ask if he's running.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

a guy who has zero chance of getting the GOP nomination?

We established that fact about 8 pages ago....

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

We established that fact about 8 pages ago....

There are predators circling everywhere so I hesitate to enter this dialogue.
but...

KRIM..Will you vote in the General Election?...I'm sure you have figured out by now that Paul has slighty less than zero chance to get elected, so will you support a Dem against your hated Darth McCain..

for what it's worth..I've never voted republican, but if McCain beats Oprah Pantsuit, I won't be crushed

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by GBBob

There are predators circling everywhere so I hesitate to enter this dialogue.
but...

KRIM..Will you vote in the General Election?...I'm sure you have figured out by now that Paul has slighty less than zero chance to get elected, so will you support a Dem against your hated Darth McCain..

for what it's worth..I've never voted republican, but if McCain beats Oprah Pantsuit, I won't be crushed

Eek... I wish we had some better choices.