Curlin and Pyro

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

IN THE END THOUGH, I FIGURE MOST OF US FROM A WAGERING AND ANALYZATION STANDPOINT ARE PRETTY EQUAL. WE ALL HAVE GOOD AND BAD DAYS. I prefer opinions about horses that haven't been wagered on, because I'd call a good horse "a pig" if I bet on it and didn't run well. But the great thing (and bad thing) about horse racing, is on one race you can look like a genious, and the next an idiot.

Oh, I disagree with all of this in many ways.

Perhaps many here do have similar opinions, but there are some who's understanding of the game stands above the masses, and those are the ones I am more interested in hearing.

I respect pretty much only the opinions of those who bet their money, as if you don't suffer as a result of bad opinions, you will never learn to modify and improve your opinion. For that very reason, most opinions seen here are random and inconsequential, because there is no punishment for being wrong. Maybe you call a losing horse a " pig " but those of us who are playing seriously actually try to determine if we made a mistake, so as not to repeat it in the future, or if circumstance perhaps prevented a decent opinion from coming to fruition. A successful player will make more correct evaluations than an unsuccessful one over time.

Looking like a genius is wonderful for your ego....but making money is what playing this game is all about. At the end of the day that is what really matters.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Looking like a genius is wonderful for your ego....but making money is what playing this game is all about. At the end of the day that is what really matters.

Aint this the f'n truth.......

[pmayjr]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Oh, I disagree with all of this in many ways.

Perhaps many here do have similar opinions, but there are some who's understanding of the game stands above the masses, and those are the ones I am more interested in hearing.

I respect pretty much only the opinions of those who bet their money, as if you don't suffer as a result of bad opinions, you will never learn to modify and improve your opinion. For that very reason, most opinions seen here are random and inconsequential, because there is no punishment for being wrong. Maybe you call a losing horse a " pig " but those of us who are playing seriously actually try to determine if we made a mistake, so as not to repeat it in the future, or if circumstance perhaps prevented a decent opinion from coming to fruition. A successful player will make more correct evaluations than an unsuccessful one over time.

Looking like a genius is wonderful for your ego....but making money is what playing this game is all about. At the end of the day that is what really matters.

I thought I made some decent points, but after you dissected them like a wife, girlfriend, a cop, or a cross-examining attorney, and chewed them up, I agree with you. I hope I at least made it clear that I wasn't rooting against Hoss or anyone else that they didn't make those bets. I'm glad they did. I'm rooting for anyone on here to be successful and get paid.

About the part about looking like a genius, I'm saying that people are successful sniffing out winners, longshots, whatever that makes them successful. But in another race they might not even give the winner serious consideration, while someone else was touting the winner all along. You just hope that you're successful in the long-run and learn from your mistakes. So I completely agree with you there.

[blackthroatedwind]

Wow, that was some foursome you compared me to. Ass hole would have sufficed....and been much kinder.

I didn't think you were rooting against DaHoss or anyone.

[pmayjr]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Wow, that was some foursome you compared me to. Ass hole would have sufficed....and been much kinder.

I didn't think you were rooting against DaHoss or anyone.

I apologize. That was a little harsh. I haven't been to the track since Sunday, and in between I've been spending time with the opposite sex and watching a lot of Law and Order on TNT. They had a friggin marathon on Monday. So I've been a little negatively influenced.

Originally Posted by pmayjr

I apologize. That was a little harsh. I haven't been to the track since Sunday, and in between I've been spending time with the opposite sex and watching a lot of Law and Order on TNT. They had a friggin marathon on Monday. So I've been a little negatively influenced.

Hmmm.

[pmayjr]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Hmmm.

Please refrain from bringing up Dale Baird.

Originally Posted by pmayjr

Please refrain from bringing up Dale Baird.

In a thread about Steve Asmussen's runners and dick measuring? Absolutely not.

[blackthroatedwind]

It was really the lawyer comparison that did it for me.

[King Glorious]

For the record, I wasn't even saying DaHoss has a bad record. I don't know his record at all. We all pick some good ones and we all pick some bad ones. Constructing a winning ticket though is far different, IMO, than analyzing talent. There have been plenty of times where I have not liked a horse to win a race but have played him on my ticket because I didn't want that logical horse to be the one that kept me from cashing. I would collect on the winning bet even though I had totally analyzed the race wrong. That just made me a better bettor, not a better analyzer of talent.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

For the record, I wasn't even saying DaHoss has a bad record. I don't know his record at all. We all pick some good ones and we all pick some bad ones. Constructing a winning ticket though is far different, IMO, than analyzing talent. There have been plenty of times where I have not liked a horse to win a race but have played him on my ticket because I didn't want that logical horse to be the one that kept me from cashing. I would collect on the winning bet even though I had totally analyzed the race wrong. That just made me a better bettor, not a better analyzer of talent.

huh........you siad ..mine king.. is no worse than hosses

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

huh........you siad ..mine king.. is no worse than hosses

And also no better. Here is what I said:

Originally Posted by King Glorious

My record? Tell me what this record is and then tell me how it compares to your record? I'd bet that we are pretty much close to the same when it comes to analyzing talent. I'd bet that pretty much everyone on here is close to the same.

I said that pretty much everyone on here is close to the same. Nowhere did I put him down or offend him. There's no need for that. I don't know his record at all nor do I remember anyone's record but I know that over time, things pretty much even out and we all fall pretty much in the same area.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

For the record, I wasn't even saying DaHoss has a bad record.

No, but you started this thread into a downword spiral by calling Pyro "a rat."

While Pyro is FAR from a true superstar - he is the current future book favorite for the Kentucky Derby - and every race of his career so far has been fairly solid.

DaHoss simply called you on your silly attention grabbing comment.

I can tell you this, it's always a good idea to claim off of Asmussen because his barn is based on talent and not magic.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

No, but you started this thread into a downword spiral by calling Pyro "a rat."

While Pyro is FAR from a true superstar - he is the current future book favorite for the Kentucky Derby - and every race of his career so far has been fairly solid.

DaHoss simply called you on your silly attention grabbing comment.

I called the horse a rat. That's what I think of him. So what? If that's something that DaHoss took personal, then I'm sorry it offended him. If that was his invitation to take shots at me, so be it. Even so, I still never suggested that he has a bad record or that mine is better than his.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

I apologize. That was a little harsh. I haven't been to the track since Sunday, and in between I've been spending time with the opposite sex and watching a lot of Law and Order on TNT. They had a friggin marathon on Monday. So I've been a little negatively influenced.

I hope they were the episodes when Ben Stone was still around.

[pmayjr]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I hope they were the episodes when Ben Stone was still around.

That's the guy before Jack McCoy right? He wasn't bad...