Santa Anita not racing Saturday?

[Scav]

This is pretty classic.

Does them not racing cost the CHRB any money? I am guessing they are funded by the tracks or the state?

[2Hot4TV]

This is the track that will be hosting the Breeders Cup this year and I can tell you it can rain in late October and early November.

Everybody is blaming Cushion track for the materials used, but I bet Santa Anita wanted a faster track than Hollywood and pushed for something different.

[outofthebox]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

This is the track that will be hosting the Breeders Cup this year and I can tell you it can rain in late October and early November.

Everybody is blaming Cushion track for the materials used, but I bet Santa Anita wanted a faster track than Hollywood and pushed for something different.

I agree 100%. TThe trainers and the jockeys also want it fast because most of them are accustomed to train and ride only one way. Speed, speed, speed.

[2Hot4TV]

The more I think about the problems with Santa Anitas track, I will bet they cancel a few race days to build a case for suing Cushion Track when this all over and done with. I live local to the track and it can rain as much as 20 inchs or more in some years.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Anita can't handle the rain.I don't understand this.They have Frank's energy drink to fuel them to get the track under control.

http://www.franksenergy.com/about.html

After all, it's so unique right?

Key Ingredients
Taurine
Niacin (Vitamin B3)
Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B5)
Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine Hydrochloride)
Vitamin B12 (Cyanocobalamin)

[The Bid]

Stronarch should be able to sue someone for making him install that garbage at any of his tracks. Im sure he will when they tear them all out

The funniest part about Santa Anita is they were contacted prior to installation by someone who does roads, breathable paving, etc. At that time they were told IT WOULD NOT DRAIN properly unless they did it a certain way. Of course they disregarded that well respected professionals opinion, knowing full well the supertrack could handle water. Its not just the wax, they arent telling the story, its the base. They knew before they started and never gave it a second thought. Its a disgrace.

[outofthebox]

I haven't been on the Santa Anita track, but you knew they had to be in trouble when they said they were going to "seal" the all weather track. It's really a shame, because theres a good chance it's going to be a long wet winter.

[King Glorious]

I hope some of you heard the Roger Stein Show this morning here in Southern California. It was great. He had Robert Shapiro of the CHRB on there and he absolutely grilled him. He told him that they need to convene an emergency session of the board to get the racing shifted over from Santa Anita to Hollywood. One classic exchange was when Shapiro said that Santa Anita hasn't come to the board with any kind of request to move over to Hollywood and Stein said something like "they didn't come to the board with a request to have to install this stuff either but yet you made them anyway." Shapiro also said the board didn't make the decision for each individual track as to which company they had to go with when then installed the tracks to which Stein reminded him that the board didn't give them much time to do much studying first.

Stein said that all three surfaces down here suck and said that in his talking with his fellow horsemen, he hears far different than what is printed in the papers.

[The Bid]

They should just run the meet out on the concrete they would go slower and it would be safer for the horses. The surface in Nor Cal is yielding a breakdown or vanning on a daily basis

[sumitas]

How does one track's installation problem condemn all the all weather surfaces ?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I hope some of you heard the Roger Stein Show this morning here in Southern California. It was great. He had Robert Shapiro of the CHRB on there and he absolutely grilled him. He told him that they need to convene an emergency session of the board to get the racing shifted over from Santa Anita to Hollywood. One classic exchange was when Shapiro said that Santa Anita hasn't come to the board with any kind of request to move over to Hollywood and Stein said something like "they didn't come to the board with a request to have to install this stuff either but yet you made them anyway." Shapiro also said the board didn't make the decision for each individual track as to which company they had to go with when then installed the tracks to which Stein reminded him that the board didn't give them much time to do much studying first.

Stein said that all three surfaces down here suck and said that in his talking with his fellow horsemen, he hears far different than what is printed in the papers.

How can you respect this guy's opinion on management of anything? He has destroyed his own health by gaining and losing thousands of pounds in one single lifetime. You sure that guy is still alive? Anybody who wants to go back to dirt doesn't give a **** about these animals.That much I know.You can try to justify it 20 different ways,but in the end ,you really don't give a **** about whether horses break down.If you did,then this subject(going back to dirt) wouldn't be on your mind.King,you're the same guy who admitted you attend dogfights.You are trash,to me,and I have stated that to you repeatedly.

[The Bid]

You dont think Zayat, Romans, Baffert, Sherrifs, care about their horses?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

How can you respect this guy's opinion on management of anything? He has destroyed his own health by gaining and losing thousands of pounds in one single lifetime. You sure that guy is still alive? Anybody who wants to go back to dirt doesn't give a **** about these animals.That much I know.You can try to justify it 20 different ways,but in the end ,you really don't give a **** about whether horses break down.If you did,then this subject(going back to dirt) wouldn't be on your mind.King,you're the same guy who admitted you attend dogfights.You are trash,to me,and I have stated that to you repeatedly.

I'm not sure what my feelings on dogfighting have to do with this but umm, ok. At least you should get it right though. I said I've seen them but that I would never voluntarily attend one because I don't get anything out of it.

Also, you say that anyone that wants to go back to dirt doesn't care about their horses. That's pretty silly. Does the same hold true for those that have stayed on dirt and not switched? Do all of the trainers that run on dirt at Churchill and NY and Florida not care about these animals either?

One last thing. Do you really think that you telling me that you think I'm trash hurts me? You can state it to me repeatedly until your fingers fall off. I really don't care.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

How can you respect this guy's opinion on management of anything? He has destroyed his own health by gaining and losing thousands of pounds in one single lifetime. You sure that guy is still alive? Anybody who wants to go back to dirt doesn't give a **** about these animals.That much I know.You can try to justify it 20 different ways,but in the end ,you really don't give a **** about whether horses break down.If you did,then this subject(going back to dirt) wouldn't be on your mind.King,you're the same guy who admitted you attend dogfights.You are trash,to me,and I have stated that to you repeatedly.

untrue scuds. some in the business say that maybe changing the track, including the base, may be what has aided the horses. that it's not necessarily a surface change that has been the reason for less breakdowns, but removal of a track that has been in place for years. i happen to enjoy some tracks that have a dirt surface, and i certainly care about the well being of the horses.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I hope some of you heard the Roger Stein Show this morning here in Southern California. It was great. He had Robert Shapiro of the CHRB on there and he absolutely grilled him. He told him that they need to convene an emergency session of the board to get the racing shifted over from Santa Anita to Hollywood. One classic exchange was when Shapiro said that Santa Anita hasn't come to the board with any kind of request to move over to Hollywood and Stein said something like "they didn't come to the board with a request to have to install this stuff either but yet you made them anyway." Shapiro also said the board didn't make the decision for each individual track as to which company they had to go with when then installed the tracks to which Stein reminded him that the board didn't give them much time to do much studying first.

Stein said that all three surfaces down here suck and said that in his talking with his fellow horsemen, he hears far different than what is printed in the papers.

sorry i missed all that!!

it's a disgrace, the knee jerk reaction by the chrb to mandate a surface. a disgrace that the track and the installer didn't do the right thing, and a disgrace that they sit and fiddle while rome burns. ridiculous!

i think going to hollywood would be a great idea. do it NOW, don't waste time, don't try to salvage a season that is already ruined. shut the track, get it right right now.

[Riot]

Its not just the wax, they arent telling the story, its the base. They knew before they started and never gave it a second thought.

Bid, from day one all they've talked about is not the wax, but the too-fine sand (different from previous, working installations) clogging the base drainage, and apparently there isn't any problem with drainage through the base itself.

Where do you get the different story from?

[The Bid]

Its not the wax, the sand, or anything else. Its the base, and they laid the base wrong. I get that from the engineers who told them the track would never drain properly if installed this way. Directly from the source.

Horses are breaking down at alarming rates in Nor Cal, So Cal cant run when it rains, Woodbines track is a disaster, Keeneland is coming off the worst meet breakdown wise in the last 7 years. Why is it even still up for discussion whether these tracks are as advertised

[Riot]

Horses are breaking down at alarming rates in Nor Cal, So Cal cant run when it rains, Woodbines track is a disaster, Keeneland is coming off the worst meet breakdown wise in the last 7 years.

Cite your stats and sources, please?

I'm sure the press directly from the tracks is always going to have a positive slant, but nobody has written anything like what you say, above. And I know there are plenty of racing journalists out there that obviously don't care for synthetic surfaces, and would be happy to publish such info as the above. I haven't seen it anywhere.

[KY_Sasquash]

Originally Posted by Mumtaz

Cite your stats and sources, please?

I'm sure the press directly from the tracks is always going to have a positive slant, but nobody has written anything like what you say, above. And I know there are plenty of racing journalists out there that obviously don't care for synthetic surfaces, and would be happy to publish such info as the above. I haven't seen it anywhere.

Check the charts from Golden Gates from 2 days ago. Delayed the start of races for 30 minutes then they had 5 horses pulled up/vanned up. Not exactly the answer the industry is looking for. I wonder what the creators of dirt are saying right now! Where are they? Why are they so silent? Oh yeah, dirt is a natural surface and you cant charge millions of dollars for it unless your running a greenhouse. ha!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Stronarch should be able to sue someone for making him install that garbage at any of his tracks. Im sure he will when they tear them all out

The funniest part about Santa Anita is they were contacted prior to installation by someone who does roads, breathable paving, etc. At that time they were told IT WOULD NOT DRAIN properly unless they did it a certain way. Of course they disregarded that well respected professionals opinion, knowing full well the supertrack could handle water. Its not just the wax, they arent telling the story, its the base. They knew before they started and never gave it a second thought. Its a disgrace.

i thought it was the fine sand that they were using, that it was clogging the drain holes....

at any rate, whoever is responsible should be fired. santa anita will be a mess all racing season.
maybe the bc should seriously rethink the decision NOW to have the bc there this year. october would be a bad time to realize there's a problem that hasn't been resolved.