the "what if" derby

[miraja2]

Have to go with Vindication if we are talking about the race being at 10f. He was by Seattle Slew and out of a graded stakes-winning daughter of Strawberry Road. SR won all kinds of G1 races at 2400m and 10f, and we all know about Seattle Slew. Vindication was extremely talented on the track, and, unlike some of these, he had the pedigree to run all day.

Question: Why did you include Roman Ruler but leave out Declan's Moon? Considering that Declan's Moon was the undefeated 2yo champ - and he beat Roman Ruler in the process - he seems more deserving to me.

Originally Posted by miraja2

Have to go with Vindication if we are talking about the race being at 10f. He was by Seattle Slew and out of a graded stakes-winning daughter of Strawberry Road. SR won all kinds of G1 races at 2400m and 10f, and we all know about Seattle Slew. Vindication was extremely talented on the track, and, unlike some of these, he had the pedigree to run all day.

Question: Why did you include Roman Ruler but leave out Declan's Moon? Considering that Declan's Moon was the undefeated 2yo champ - and he beat Roman Ruler in the process - he seems more deserving to me.

Good question.

[Pointg5]

I think Vindication is very overrated, he beat nothing in the Kentucky Cup and took advantage of a speed bias at Arlington...

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

I think Vindication is very overrated, he beat nothing in the Kentucky Cup and took advantage of a speed bias at Arlington...

With horses that ran this infrequently it is always difficult to know where they should be rated. In the BC Juvenile he beat Kafwain who won the Best Pal and the Norfolk as a 2yo, and Hold That Tiger who was the European 2yo champ that year. That is pretty good competition.

Who knows you may be right. But the horse was 4 for 4, has a classic-type pedigree, and beat some stiff competition in the biggest race of his life. For my money that puts him a leg up on the rest of these....but this race would definitely be a crapshoot.

miraja~we can put him in
the reason he was left out is because he is still in training
as Roman Ruler and the rest have been sent to stud duties
and will no longer have the chance to prove themselves on track
but then I should have also excluded Henny Hughes as well
so perhaps we can move First Sam in there in his place
not sure about Wonderboy, any news on him?
I'd imagine a big stud deal is in the works