Milliage to the Nats?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 3kings

You are right the NY papers said they would most likely not tender Estrada. I understand the Mets need to win now but Millage's potential is much larger than Church's production.

Potential gets guys in NY fired. I watched the Mets play a lot (I'm a closet fan) and never saw the "greatness waiting to happen" from him. I know he has issues and is a couple of years older but Josh Hamilton is the type of young player that even non professionals like me can see have the talent to be great. Milledge should fare better away from the spotlight but I'm not convinced that he is going to be much more than a slower version of Corey Patterson with a bit more pop.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Potential gets guys in NY fired. I watched the Mets play a lot (I'm a closet fan) and never saw the "greatness waiting to happen" from him. I know he has issues and is a couple of years older but Josh Hamilton is the type of young player that even non professionals like me can see have the talent to be great. Milledge should fare better away from the spotlight but I'm not convinced that he is going to be much more than a slower version of Corey Patterson with a bit more pop.

You may be correct, I may have a anti R.Church bias. I used to play fantasy bb and he drove me nuts. Every year was going to be his breakout year and every year he went back and forth between starter, bench and the minors. Now Milledge will probably to the same to others while I no longer play fantasy bb. I may have a *hit eating grin while it occurs to.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 3kings

You may be correct, I may have a anti R.Church bias. I used to play fantasy bb and he drove me nuts. Every year was going to be his breakout year and every year he went back and forth between starter, bench and the minors. Now Milledge will probably to the same to others while I no longer play fantasy bb. I may have a *hit eating grin while it occurs to.

I think Church may be a better "real" baseball player than fantasy player

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think Church may be a better "real" baseball player than fantasy player

Maybe but I have a feeling in three years Milledge is going to be the guy that every fantasy baseball manager wants. I sure hope it isn't the case. I'm just completely F-in confused in this case. I want to at least hear Omar say that Schneidier can call a game while blindfolded and getting oral sex better than Estrada and Castro combined and then I'll feel better about it. Until then I'm convinced this is Kazmir for Zambrano all over again.

[MaTH716]

I am not a Mets fan and I think it is a terrible deal. All the talk around NY is that the Mets need a frontline pitcher. So they go out and trade one of thier biggest chips for another outfielder and a above average catcher. I thought given the chance (which he really never had) that Milliage had the chance to be a very special player with the Mets. Now that he will be out of the spotlight and playing everyday I think he will be an All-Star in the next couple of years. If the Mets wanted Schineder that bad then maybe they could have traded Carlos Gomez and a another minor leaguer and still ended up with him. I just think that they could have gotten a hell of a lot more than the 2 that they did.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I am not a Mets fan and I think it is a terrible deal. All the talk around NY is that the Mets need a frontline pitcher. So they go out and trade one of thier biggest chips for another outfielder and a above average catcher. I thought given the chance (which he really never had) that Milliage had the chance to be a very special player with the Mets. Now that he will be out of the spotlight and playing everyday I think he will be an All-Star in the next couple of years. If the Mets wanted Schineder that bad then maybe they could have traded Carlos Gomez and a another minor leaguer and still ended up with him. I just think that they could have gotten a hell of a lot more than the 2 that they did.

Gomez might not be as major league ready as Milledge but I think he is much bigger bargaining chip than Milledge was at this point. If the Mets are going to get a top line starter it will be Gomez and one of their young pitchers that go. I almost want them to just wait on the pitcher until the trade deadline. Maine and Oliver Perez pitched good enough last year to be a #2 and #3 starter. If Pedro stays healthy that isn't a bad top three for the pitching staff. They would then need two of El Duque, Pelfrey, Humber, and Sosa to step into teh bottom two spots. If during the season Pedro goes down and two of those guys haven't stepped up then make the trade for a starter. A team not in contention is going to be more willing to make a trade of a free agent to be at that point anyways.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Haren can be moved from Oakland?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I am not a Mets fan and I think it is a terrible deal. All the talk around NY is that the Mets need a frontline pitcher. So they go out and trade one of thier biggest chips for another outfielder and a above average catcher. I thought given the chance (which he really never had) that Milliage had the chance to be a very special player with the Mets. Now that he will be out of the spotlight and playing everyday I think he will be an All-Star in the next couple of years. If the Mets wanted Schineder that bad then maybe they could have traded Carlos Gomez and a another minor leaguer and still ended up with him. I just think that they could have gotten a hell of a lot more than the 2 that they did.

What makes you think he will be an allstar? This guy aint Barry Bonds revisited. He strikes out alot, doesnt get on base much, has no baserunning skills, is an average fielder, has average power and seems to not exactly be fitting in with the team. If he was a 5th round draft choice and this trade was made no one would have noticed. His hype has not translated to production yet. They aren't trading a future Albert Pujols

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What makes you think he will be an allstar? This guy aint Barry Bonds revisited. He strikes out alot, doesnt get on base much, has no baserunning skills, is an average fielder, has average power and seems to not exactly be fitting in with the team. If he was a 5th round draft choice and this trade was made no one would have noticed. His hype has not translated to production yet. They aren't trading a future Albert Pujols

He is only 22, granted he has alot of growing up to do. But next year he will be playing with a team that is more his age and with not the expectations that the Mets as a team will have and all of New York City has for Milledge himself . He played less than 60 games last year and I think he showed signs of being special. Granted his numbers aren't great but he only had 184 at bats last year, and the majority of them were in the 8 spot. Granted there is not a ton of protection in the Nats order, but you have to think that Manny Acta will have him out there every day. I don't think that they traded the next Pujols, but they should of got guys that are better than a catcher that has a lifetime .252 BA and an outfielder that is a question mark too, but 6 years older. Let's see what he does when he plays 140 games.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Maybe but I have a feeling in three years Milledge is going to be the guy that every fantasy baseball manager wants. I sure hope it isn't the case. I'm just completely F-in confused in this case. I want to at least hear Omar say that Schneidier can call a game while blindfolded and getting oral sex better than Estrada and Castro combined and then I'll feel better about it. Until then I'm convinced this is Kazmir for Zambrano all over again.

Based upon hype this may come true but based upon performance I doubt it. Kazmir is a much better pitcher than Milledge is player. And if Minaya let it be known that Milledge was available and the rest of baseball thought him a special players, dont you think that they would have been all over this deal? You guys think Milledge is good because you heard the same reports that everybody did. But in real live play he is either not ready, cant handle the NY scene or is just not that great. The Mets have a better chance of winning now with Church.