National Pride

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Linny

I am not sure statisticaly but I would guess that his record with "first out to future success" is no better or worse than most. This I would believe especially if you take out the "elite" types like the multi million $$$ babies that guys like Pletcher etc get.
When he does get a decent horse (Gansevoort was pretty well regarded last winter and Mayan King from a few years ago may have been his) he does OK. I remember Mission Approved's win. He would have been 30-1 had he not had an entrymate with a decent start or two under his belt. I think he bucked shins which is VERY common after a strenuous first out win.
The fact is that guys like Todd and Rick Violette and McLaughlin see horses sidelined off debut maiden wins all the time. The difference is that most of those guys start out with better quality stock. It's fair to say that given the cost of his stock, overall that Gary does OK with young stock.

Both Gansevoort and Mayan King have suffered through significant layoffs and back up my claims.

I agree about the guys you mentioned ( though I don't think Rick Violette necessarily belongs with Todd and Kiaran ) but would be interested to see you post specifics concerning their maiden breakers.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Both Gansevoort and Mayan King have suffered through significant layoffs and back up my claims.

I agree about the guys you mentioned ( though I don't think Rick Violette necessarily belongs with Todd and Kiaran ) but would be interested to see you post specifics concerning their maiden breakers.

I'd have to research their stats. I added Violette because he generally has well meant firsters, not so much because they are in the same price range or class level as TAP and KM. He spans the gap between those two and a guy like Gary.

I suppose what would be needed is detailed follow up on ever first out winner in NY over the course of at least a year. That way you'd have several class levels covered. I think it's fair to say that far more is expected of the "typical" Spa maiden breaker than anything Gary saddles in November at AQU. I'd be curious to see what their overall records are.

Great, now I've established a project for myself and I'll end up overloading my damn stablemail with names of horses I'll never see again.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Linny

Great, now I've established a project for myself and I'll end up overloading my damn stablemail with names of horses I'll never see again.

Way to go, Linny