AROD is MVP

[dylbert]

Great article posting, Cannon Shell... only wish that my Astros could afford such a talent as him. Crawford Boxes would become very dangerous place to view game at the Juice Box!

[docicu3]

Yankee Fans enjoy him A-Rod is probably livid that Mike Lowell's announcement for signing with the Red Sox was announced on the same day as the A-Rod MVP celebration. The nerve of the two time world champion to try and crash A-Rod's ode to me......

I'll take the World Series titles, the gold gloves and the adoration of your town's fans. Once your making the money these guys make it's all good dude. I would never trade Lowell for A-Rod unless I wanted a third baseman to hit 50 homers and for my team to have no chance at a series.

[MaTH716]

Isn't it strange that the only 2 first place votes A-Rod didn't get came from the Detroit area and went for Ordonez?

[whodey17]

AROD is the best player in the game. He could possibly hold two tremendous records when his career is over. He could be the all time HR king and the all time hits leader. That would be one heck of an accomplishment.

[2 Dollar Bill]

Its funny that the ""lighting rod"" says.... ""I would trade in the 3 MVP awards for a WS ring"".... Does that mean he would GIVE back $$$$ to the team to sign some pitching ?????

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 2 Dollar Bill

Its funny that the ""lighting rod"" says.... ""I would trade in the 3 MVP awards for a WS ring"".... Does that mean he would GIVE back $$$$ to the team to sign some pitching ?????

The current team that he is on does not need his money to sign pitching. They have money. They decided that $25 million for Clemens was a good deal.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Yankee Fans enjoy him A-Rod is probably livid that Mike Lowell's announcement for signing with the Red Sox was announced on the same day as the A-Rod MVP celebration. The nerve of the two time world champion to try and crash A-Rod's ode to me......

I'll take the World Series titles, the gold gloves and the adoration of your town's fans. Once your making the money these guys make it's all good dude. I would never trade Lowell for A-Rod unless I wanted a third baseman to hit 50 homers and for my team to have no chance at a series.

The idea that the Red Sox would not have won the World Series if A Rod was playing third as opposed to Lowell is kind of absurd.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The idea that the Red Sox would not have won the World Series if A Rod was playing third as opposed to Lowell is kind of absurd.

It's all about Chuck chemistry in team sports not individual talent. The 25 cabs for 25 guys Red Sox of the 70's and 80's had tons of talent but no chemistry. A-Rod destroys chemistry with his "me first" team second playoff phobic stat sheet as one example.

The guy will probably own every offensive record in the book someday and still find a way to chuck a two hopper into the stands after interfering with a pitcher tagging him out the inning before to lose a Series.

See Bronson Arroyo play for stupidity and classless acts ruining the mojo of a team. Please don't tell me you don't believe the 2004 Yankees lost the AL Playoffs because they found a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

A-Rod is a chemistry killer and will never win anything other than an individual record in any big market. A-Rod would single handidly Margo Adams the Red Sox if allowed to be there.

Wanting A-Rod on the Red Sox instead of Lowell given recent events....now thats absurd!! and shows how little you value the chemistry piece. It's more fragile than you think...

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by docicu3

It's all about Chuck chemistry in team sports not individual talent. The 25 cabs for 25 guys Red Sox of the 70's and 80's had tons of talent but no chemistry. A-Rod destroys chemistry with his "me first" team second playoff phobic stat sheet as one example.

The guy will probably own every offensive record in the book someday and still find a way to chuck a two hopper into the stands after interfering with a pitcher tagging him out the inning before to lose a Series.

See Bronson Arroyo play for stupidity and classless acts ruining the mojo of a team. Please don't tell me you don't believe the 2004 Yankees lost the AL Playoffs because they found a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

A-Rod is a chemistry killer and will never win anything other than an individual record in any big market. A-Rod would single handidly Margo Adams the Red Sox if allowed to be there.

Wanting A-Rod on the Red Sox instead of Lowell given recent events....now thats absurd!! and shows how little you value the chemistry piece. It's more fragile than you think...

If I got a team that's got a nice chance to make the post,then I would rather have LOWELL than AROD.That's because Lowell hits good pitching better than Arod.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by docicu3

It's all about Chuck chemistry in team sports not individual talent. The 25 cabs for 25 guys Red Sox of the 70's and 80's had tons of talent but no chemistry. A-Rod destroys chemistry with his "me first" team second playoff phobic stat sheet as one example.

The guy will probably own every offensive record in the book someday and still find a way to chuck a two hopper into the stands after interfering with a pitcher tagging him out the inning before to lose a Series.

See Bronson Arroyo play for stupidity and classless acts ruining the mojo of a team. Please don't tell me you don't believe the 2004 Yankees lost the AL Playoffs because they found a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

A-Rod is a chemistry killer and will never win anything other than an individual record in any big market. A-Rod would single handidly Margo Adams the Red Sox if allowed to be there.

Wanting A-Rod on the Red Sox instead of Lowell given recent events....now thats absurd!! and shows how little you value the chemistry piece. It's more fragile than you think...

And here I always thought that Pitching was important in baseball. Chemistry didn't stop the Big Red Machine, The Yankees of the late 70's, the A's of the early 70's...

Chemistry is something to blame when teams lose...so writers have stories to write about and controversies to create. If Pete Rose had chopped Arroyos hand he would have been called scrappy.

Remember one thing about A Rod and the Yankees of 07...there would not have been a Yankees playoff appearance without him. Then who would everybody been blaming? Hate to say it to the Yankee fans but you are going to be bitching about ARod next year too because management seems oblivious to the real issues that that team has and is going to come up short again.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And here I always thought that Pitching was important in baseball. Chemistry didn't stop the Big Red Machine, The Yankees of the late 70's, the A's of the early 70's...

Chemistry is something to blame when teams lose...so writers have stories to write about and controversies to create. If Pete Rose had chopped Arroyos hand he would have been called scrappy.

Remember one thing about A Rod and the Yankees of 07...there would not have been a Yankees playoff appearance without him. Then who would everybody been blaming? Hate to say it to the Yankee fans but you are going to be bitching about ARod next year too because management seems oblivious to the real issues that that team has and is going to come up short again.

On one level you make a good argument on this one and probably to be more accurate the word "selfish" should be used instead of chemistry.
The A's and Reds and Yanks you speak of were never selfish teams which is actually the killer of the Sox of years gone by. There is something about these personalities that subtrack from teams as a whole because on some
level the team plays for stats and averages not to win ball games.

Dwight Evans comes to mind for the sox....Jim Rice on some level is another both actually considered for the hall of fame but both about the stats.

IMO A-Rod creates an air of "about the stats" which are temendous numbers but somehow they create a negativity with others eg Jeter's comments who I respect as a player but obviously has something going with Alex.

As another similiar example living here in DC I see Gilbert Arenas the same way with the wizzards. The guy has surgery and the team goes on a tear winning 6 straight where the announcers are saying aloud "on air"

"Somethings different with this team......they turn the ballover everybody sprints back on defense same guys, same year and all of sudden they play two way ball" Whoa I don't think you have to be a hoops junkie to understand that one....guys hustle more when they believe EVERYONE is hustling including the hibachi!! on defense.

The same thing is true about ARod he gets his like Arenas will get his 30 but he inspires no one to play hard.....Is that a felony? Of course not but it may be enough to decide championships from good seasons for a team.
When all is said and done about talent it is still about how bad do you want it....Teams have to have some above average talent but then it's about team play and effort. Of course pitching is 70 or so percent of baseball but thats a different argument about who has or had superior pitching each year. Yes the Red Sox had better pitching than the yanks this year but I am not sure that was true in 2004...either way it doesn't matter they were one out from elimination until momentum gathered and took over.

Try to tell me the Pistons of recent past that won several titles had the best talent.....ARod wold never buy into that kind of system like this.

Time will tell lets see how many titles the guy wins in his career....I really would take Lowell when you factor in the two teams and what they have right now and Im not alone here

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by docicu3

On one level you make a good argument on this one and probably to be more accurate the word "selfish" should be used instead of chemistry.
The A's and Reds and Yanks you speak of were never selfish teams which is actually the killer of the Sox of years gone by. There is something about these personalities that subtrack from teams as a whole because on some
level the team plays for stats and averages not to win ball games.

Dwight Evans comes to mind for the sox....Jim Rice on some level is another both actually considered for the hall of fame but both about the stats.

IMO A-Rod creates an air of "about the stats" which are temendous numbers but somehow they create a negativity with others eg Jeter's comments who I respect as a player but obviously has something going with Alex.

As another similiar example living here in DC I see Gilbert Arenas the same way with the wizzards. The guy has surgery and the team goes on a tear winning 6 straight where the announcers are saying aloud "on air"

"Somethings different with this team......they turn the ballover everybody sprints back on defense same guys, same year and all of sudden they play two way ball" Whoa I don't think you have to be a hoops junkie to understand that one....guys hustle more when they believe EVERYONE is hustling including the hibachi!! on defense.

The same thing is true about ARod he gets his like Arenas will get his 30 but he inspires no one to play hard.....Is that a felony? Of course not but it may be enough to decide championships from good seasons for a team.
When all is said and done about talent it is still about how bad do you want it....Teams have to have some above average talent but then it's about team play and effort. Of course pitching is 70 or so percent of baseball but thats a different argument about who has or had superior pitching each year. Yes the Red Sox had better pitching than the yanks this year but I am not sure that was true in 2004...either way it doesn't matter they were one out from elimination until momentum gathered and took over.

Try to tell me the Pistons of recent past that won several titles had the best talent.....ARod wold never buy into that kind of system like this.

Time will tell lets see how many titles the guy wins in his career....I really would take Lowell when you factor in the two teams and what they have right now and Im not alone here

Basketball and baseball are not comparable in this circumstance. Are we to believe that because player A doesn't like Arod he is going to hit worse? Or a pitcher is going to give up more home Runs because of the presence of A Rod? Hell from what I hear Shilling is much more disliked than Arod.

[satan's twin]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Yankee Fans enjoy him A-Rod is probably livid that Mike Lowell's announcement for signing with the Red Sox was announced on the same day as the A-Rod MVP celebration. The nerve of the two time world champion to try and crash A-Rod's ode to me......

I'll take the World Series titles, the gold gloves and the adoration of your town's fans. Once your making the money these guys make it's all good dude. I would never trade Lowell for A-Rod unless I wanted a third baseman to hit 50 homers and for my team to have no chance at a series.

If A-Rod was the RedSox third baseman in '07, do you really think Boston would not have won the world series this year?

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by satan's twin

If A-Rod was the RedSox third baseman in '07, do you really think Boston would not have won the world series this year?

No chance in hell in 2004 and still iffy in 2007 because others who were allowed to grow and perform without the "me" first ahole factor....see Youk (himself a bit of more talent than he showed until 2007, Jason Pedroia who would have unlikely prospered in a tense clubhouse rather than the one he had...and I could go on on.....Boston is a weird place to play with a negative karma until the last few years where many a premadonna (sp?) ruined talented teams destined for greatness.

This particuar question your asking here has been debated by Boston journalism royalty eg Ryan Gammons etc to the same thing I am saying. To a man (sorry Jackie McM.) they all have cast votes for "If A-Rod were here the curse would now have 90+ years to it....." It does have to make sense to be the truth...sometimes you DO subtract from a team by adding talent to it if it comes with baggage like this!!

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by docicu3

No chance in hell in 2004 and still iffy in 2007 because others who were allowed to grow and perform without the "me" first ahole factor....see Youk (himself a bit of more talent than he showed until 2007, Jason Pedroia who would have unlikely prospered in a tense clubhouse rather than the one he had...and I could go on on.....Boston is a weird place to play with a negative karma until the last few years where many a premadonna (sp?) ruined talented teams destined for greatness.

This particuar question your asking here has been debated by Boston journalism royalty eg Ryan Gammons etc to the same thing I am saying. To a man (sorry Jackie McM.) they all have cast votes for "If A-Rod were here the curse would now have 90+ years to it....." It does have to make sense to be the truth...sometimes you DO subtract from a team by adding talent to it if it comes with baggage like this!!

That may be the silliest thing I've ever read on here. I'm sure the Patriots fans would have said they'd have been worse off with Randy Moss on their team when he was a "loser" in Oakland. Any team is better off with Gay-Rod. The only question is whether he is worth the money.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

That may be the silliest thing I've ever read on here. I'm sure the Patriots fans would have said they'd have been worse off with Randy Moss on their team when he was a "loser" in Oakland. Any team is better off with Gay-Rod. The only question is whether he is worth the money.

He is worth the money to the Yankees because the money really is not a factor to them

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

That may be the silliest thing I've ever read on here. I'm sure the Patriots fans would have said they'd have been worse off with Randy Moss on their team when he was a "loser" in Oakland. Any team is better off with Gay-Rod. The only question is whether he is worth the money.

Actually I disagree every team is not better of with ARod when your winning titiles without him and the guy is hated like he is in certain cities like Boston.
As far as the silliest comment I will only say that is a geat example of how these discussions turn into bloodbaths. You got something to say go get some evidence to counter the argument rather than invite a personal attack.

No person in the Red Sox braintrust currently wants ARod over Mike Lowell of they thought he was better for this team and it would ensure another titile Lowell would be an Indian but that is not the case. Go read the boards on SOSH (sons of sam horn) the site for this stuff and tell me the Red Sox beleive that. And when your done there go read 38special Schillngs web site about this with player quotes and see if they back you up.

The Sox don't wan't ARod and no one was happier he ended up with the Yankees for the chaos there willbe next year there. If he left they would have rebult in a supportive place now the fans are gonna nail ARod every time he is human and strikes out or makes an error. It is gonna be awful

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Actually I disagree every team is not better of with ARod when your winning titiles without him and the guy is hated like he is in certain cities like Boston.
As far as the silliest comment I will only say that is a geat example of how these discussions turn into bloodbaths. You got something to say go get some evidence to counter the argument rather than invite a personal attack.

No person in the Red Sox braintrust currently wants ARod over Mike Lowell of they thought he was better for this team and it would ensure another titile Lowell would be an Indian but that is not the case. Go read the boards on SOSH (sons of sam horn) the site for this stuff and tell me the Red Sox beleive that. And when your done there go read 38special Schillngs web site about this with player quotes and see if they back you up.

The Sox don't wan't ARod and no one was happier he ended up with the Yankees for the chaos there willbe next year there. If he left they would have rebult in a supportive place now the fans are gonna nail ARod every time he is human and strikes out or makes an error. It is gonna be awful

Calling your comment silly is going to lead to a bloodbath? Easy with the hyperbole. Do you honestly believe that if Boston could have had A-Rod for 3 years/$37.5 million that they wouldn't have sent Lowell packing in a second? They would have signed that deal with A-Rod and sent Lowell out of town in a heartbeat. Hell, if A-Rod was willing to go to Boston at 10 years/$200 million I'm sure Lowell would be a Yankee right now. The only reason the Sox didn't want A-Rod over Lowell is cause he would have cost them more than twice as much a season as Lowell. It isn't cause they wouldn't have been a better team with him. They absolutely would have been better. Manny is way more of a headache than A-Rod ever has been but he produces and the fans love him. It would have been the same case in time if A-Rod went to Boston.