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11-12-2007, 08:13 PM
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11-12-2007, 08:21 PM
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Doesn't this parallel what the NCAA looks at, I mean the people in charge have to take care of "their" house? I am getting tired of betting against horses only to read they were on drugs and then here the excuse of "someone in my barn was doing it without my knowledge". That is a failed excuse that has many parallels in history. Frankly it seems like its acceptable in what is becoming a very pathetic industry which refuses to acknowledge it has a major problem.
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11-12-2007, 08:28 PM
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I have to agree 10 pt move up. But in this case, 4 years and Sciacca was on vaca at the time ? The rules have to be understandable, the punishment needs to be swift. This case was not handled in a timely manner and punishing Sciacca when he was on vaca, it doesn't seem right to me.
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11-12-2007, 08:51 PM
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As ELA very eloquently pointed out in a similar thread, there is a decernable difference between administring drugs specifically to enhance a horse's performance, and the more routine incidental overages of legal medications.
Neither should be tolerated - the difference here is that the latter can be chalked up to human error; but to purposely shove a tube through horse's nostril in order to pump Bromo Seltzer into it's stomach is indefensable. No way around it. Don Rice made a living out of it in Tampa (leading trainer in 7 of 9 years from 94'-95 thru 02'03) until everyone had enough of his sh!t and was run out of town on a rail http://www.sptimes.com/2006/02/07/Sp...ns_suspe.shtml I don't know if Sicacca had anything, personally, to do with this - given his record, I'd say abusing drugs to win is not his problem. But if the horse in question is under his care, he is responsible. And certainly begs the question about the completely remarkable turnaround of horses like Tobruk - a 13 time beaten maiden who couldn't get out of his own way until 9/1 at the SPA, when he went off at 12-1 m/l to break, and has 2 back to back place efforts against winners since. I'm sure I'm not the first to notice
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11-12-2007, 08:41 PM
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fireing squads and date the widow...
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11-12-2007, 08:48 PM
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It was 4 years ago and never confirmed.....I think we should give it a rest.
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11-12-2007, 09:12 PM
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This is bush league on Grening's part...
"Since the incident, McGuire has suffered a stroke that has left him incapacitated." Why is this info relevant? He's basically implying that the investigation is the cause of the stroke. If it isn't...why share this info? And aren't there HIPPA laws to protect McGuire's medical info? I'm assuming he disclosed this info to Grening. Terrible.
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11-13-2007, 10:16 AM
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11-13-2007, 10:58 AM
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
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11-13-2007, 10:36 AM
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unless a horse has colic or is being oiled for shipping (both of which would be easy to produce a vet report on to clear one's name) then there is NO reason to tube a horse...and it isn't easy for a person (even a layman) to misinterpret....confusion about which stall or even which horse doesn't mean he didn't see what he says he saw...and I like I said if they were treating a sick horse or preparing a horse to ship it is easily cleared up...the fact that they can't speaks volumes.
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11-13-2007, 10:50 AM
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Interesting fact- Dr. Mcguire worked as a examining (state/NYRA) vet for a time.
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11-13-2007, 10:53 AM
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but like you said horses haven't been tubed for worming in years... and if they were giving electrolytes they could have easily had that documented as well... and I never said it harmed the horse....but it harms the betting public.
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11-13-2007, 05:36 PM
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