11/6: Churchill (Late P4)

Triple B, I made an avatar for ya.

BTW

Your last post got me to respond again. Good show. Please respond to my query in the last paragraph.

But first, in post number 29 this thread you state "he handicapped brilliantly" Then in #54 you refute that opinion. You cannot have it both ways. If my tone was condescending towards the winner... in retrospect the sequence did not seem that difficult.

I prefer being labeled a handicapper rather than a horseplayer. I would 'cap if there was no betting. Since I post, what I play, your assumption that I mislead players is inaccurate. I have no interest in being a public handicapper.

PHILCZKI

I write awful and type worse, but do try to include pieces of 'cappin wisdom in my posts. The use of the term "outcross favorite" above is a good example. They are among the BEST bets in racing, can be found once a day or so at major tracks and outperform all favorites by almost five percent!!! As for my agenda; pass, although it should be clear. Reading Clavell's classic "King Rat" may give you a clue.

Pillow

Not into that avatar stuff, send it to 'Stud he is a big fan. Thanks though.

Back to BTW

I did not look at any pp's but when a horse is favored and blows away his field
they probably figured off the paper. If thats redboarding sorry. If you think its gobblygook, your in error, again.

LOVE CODE is the reason I responded again. I guess you agree that she is very sharp, has improved going green, is in good hands and figured a nice trip. You are correct she goes from statebred to open, but also drops from nonwinners two to nonwinners one.

At what level (going from NY's to open) is she NOT dropping in class?? 3X to one X ? 4X to One X? $aw to one x Stake to one X Thanks in advance. BBB

[Scav]

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

At what level (going from NY's to open) is she NOT dropping in class?? 3X to one X ? 4X to One X? $aw to one x Stake to one X Thanks in advance. BBB

So you think NY breds are harder then open company? Clarification please

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

BTW

Your last post got me to respond again. Good show. Please respond to my query in the last paragraph.

But first, in post number 29 this thread you state "he handicapped brilliantly" Then in #54 you refute that opinion. You cannot have it both ways. If my tone was condescending towards the winner... in retrospect the sequence did not seem that difficult.

I prefer being labeled a handicapper rather than a horseplayer. I would 'cap if there was no betting. Since I post, what I play, your assumption that I mislead players is inaccurate. I have no interest in being a public handicapper.



Back to BTW

I did not look at any pp's but when a horse is favored and blows away his field
they probably figured off the paper. If thats redboarding sorry. If you think its gobblygook, your in error, again.

LOVE CODE is the reason I responded again. I guess you agree that she is very sharp, has improved going green, is in good hands and figured a nice trip. You are correct she goes from statebred to open, but also drops from nonwinners two to nonwinners one.

At what level (going from NY's to open) is she NOT dropping in class?? 3X to one X ? 4X to One X? $aw to one x Stake to one X Thanks in advance. BBB

You had a second chance to read what I wrote and still misunderstood me???? That's pretty incredible....but here it is again.....

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Let me add......take a good luck at the Aqueduct Pick-6 thread from today. The person who won hit it did so because he constructed his play tremendously well, moreso I dare say than he handicapped brilliantly, and I think there is a great deal to be learned from that.

Since you didn't get it the previous two times let me help you....I was saying ( just as I repeated that I said ) that he won more because of his excellent ticket structure than any handicapping brilliance. I hope this clears things up for you.

As for Love Code....relative to her field I don't particularly agree with any of your comments ( I don't care about the " good hands " crap as it is only relevant in a relative sense and of no consequence here ). As for your complete lack of understanding of the NY Bred program at NYRA racetracks I will be happy to try and enlighten you. They do not run NY Bred allowance races above the NW2X condition. However, in an attempt to increase field size for allowance races, quite a few years ago NYRA began including " restricted " in the conditions of their open allowance races thus enabling NY breds to be eligible for open allowance conditions after clearing their NY bred conditions. Horses making the supposed " class drop " you alluded to have hardly distinguished themselves since that change.

If you bothered to handicap race 5 you would have seen that she was slower than at least three, and probably four, members of yesterday's field and the fields she had been racing against were significantly weaker. That is probably why she was the fifth or sixth choice in the race.

As for the rest, making judgements without ever having looked at the pps of a race is gobbledygook, and never more obvious than with yesterday's card which included at least one, and maybe two, winning favorites that were extraordinarily hard to predict taking the most tote action.

[pmacdaddy]

Think you need to reread BTW's post. He said I did NOT handicap briliantly, rather put together a good ticket.

By the way 100% correct.

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

BTW


Pillow

Not into that avatar stuff, send it to 'Stud he is a big fan. Thanks though.

BBB

I know you're a rebel but now it's time for you to conform. Add that avatar STAT.

[Late Fires]

Andy,

Not that you need any pats on the back, but this thread has called to mind the fact that your advice on ticket structure has been a big help to me, and I wanted to say thanks for that.

I've been fortunate enough to hit more than one pick 4 that I wouldn't have hit without using a multiple ticket approach (apologize for redboarding), and your input in the pick 6 threads really helped me to play multiple tickets more efficiently. I appreciate you sharing your wisdom.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

BTW

Your last post got me to respond again. Good show. Please respond to my query in the last paragraph.

But first, in post number 29 this thread you state "he handicapped brilliantly" Then in #54 you refute that opinion. You cannot have it both ways. If my tone was condescending towards the winner... in retrospect the sequence did not seem that difficult.

I prefer being labeled a handicapper rather than a horseplayer. I would 'cap if there was no betting. Since I post, what I play, your assumption that I mislead players is inaccurate. I have no interest in being a public handicapper.

PHILCZKI

I write awful and type worse, but do try to include pieces of 'cappin wisdom in my posts. The use of the term "outcross favorite" above is a good example. They are among the BEST bets in racing, can be found once a day or so at major tracks and outperform all favorites by almost five percent!!! As for my agenda; pass, although it should be clear. Reading Clavell's classic "King Rat" may give you a clue.

Pillow

Not into that avatar stuff, send it to 'Stud he is a big fan. Thanks though.

Back to BTW

I did not look at any pp's but when a horse is favored and blows away his field
they probably figured off the paper. If thats redboarding sorry. If you think its gobblygook, your in error, again.

LOVE CODE is the reason I responded again. I guess you agree that she is very sharp, has improved going green, is in good hands and figured a nice trip. You are correct she goes from statebred to open, but also drops from nonwinners two to nonwinners one.

At what level (going from NY's to open) is she NOT dropping in class?? 3X to one X ? 4X to One X? $aw to one x Stake to one X Thanks in advance. BBB

The answer: almost NEVER. The rare exception being a NYB stake to open N1X is usually a drop, but not always.