Breeder's Cup

[Riot]

Do you think the BC races should have been delayed (due to track conditions) for a day? A week?

[Zaf]

I was there and felt they did a great job of hosting it despite the weather and unfortunate event that occurred in the classic. Staff was very pleasant & tellers were abundant. Never had to wait long for anything (Beer, Food, Bathroom Lines, most cases able to bet right before Post-Time) etc. Staff did a very good job IMHO. Weather was not their fault.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Churchill will act like they don't want it and say they need more money from the BC since the revenue isn't there.

The tax incentives and boosted interest/handle will possibly put it there every year.

Wouldn't be a bad idea. Like Royal Ascot but all in one day.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Do you think the BC races should have been delayed (due to track conditions) for a day? A week?

Unless there was a danger to the participants because of the surface there should not be a delay in the races. Weather is part of the game. They didn't delay the Super Bowl because it was raining did they?

[Riot]

It's the "danger from the surface" part that some are championing.

What is your professional opinion on sloppy tracks? Do you base it upon the individual animal?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's the "danger from the surface" part that some are championing.

What is your professional opinion on sloppy tracks? Do you base it upon the individual animal?

It is just too politically correct to talk of delaying the races because of rain. A few years ago they moved a grass stake at Tampa from Sat to Tuesday because of rain. Except it never rained, was sunny and 70.

How do you know if the weather wont get worse in another day? What if you delay it a week and the weather is worse then?

If there were a rash of breakdowns that occurred I could see where people may question the track. But of all the horses that you thought may not finish a race on Sat would you not have made GW 3/5 to be the one?

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

But of all the horses that you thought may not finish a race on Sat would you not have made GW 3/5 to be the one?

I would've said Bordonaro

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I would've said Bordonaro

he was 3/2

[sumitas]

GW was out of his element on a completely foreign surface in a foreign land. It was a high risk decision and his management will have to live with that. Unfortunately GW cannot.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

he was 3/2

A shorter price than Greg's Gold with the past tendon issues?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is just too politically correct to talk of delaying the races because of rain. A few years ago they moved a grass stake at Tampa from Sat to Tuesday because of rain. Except it never rained, was sunny and 70.

How do you know if the weather wont get worse in another day? What if you delay it a week and the weather is worse then?

If there were a rash of breakdowns that occurred I could see where people may question the track. But of all the horses that you thought may not finish a race on Sat would you not have made GW 3/5 to be the one?

You really have to wonder what made the connections put this horse in this race. Really, the horse had no chance, what were they thinking?

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by pointman

You really have to wonder what made the connections put this horse in this race. Really, the horse had no chance, what were they thinking?

I tend to agree.

On a normal dirt surface it might not have been so bad. I mean, i'd guess most if not all of the dirt runners at the BC had experienced the slop in one way or another before.

George tried the track out on Friday morning, but at that time it wasn't too bad. I think the track had only just decided to change it to 'muddy'. What worried me was to hear the vets say that once a track gets that sloppy, the horses are basically running on the hard base of the surface. That may or may not have led to the injury. We will never know.

GW had never experienced that before and because he was climbing to get away from the kickback, it probably meant his hooves were hitting the surface harded than they normally would.

I'm not convinced Aidan wanted to run him in the Classic at all, even weeks and months before the race. Aidan had never even mentioned the Classic and then all of a sudden he came out with the plan was to take George to the Classic as if he had been told that is what was happening by Magnier and Co. If the ownered want to run a horse, there is little a trainer can do to prevent thier wish.

I'm guessing here, but it seemed to me that Magnier wanted as many runners as possible at this year's BC. The Turf was never an option for DT until the last moment. It was as if someone tapped Aidan on the shoulder one day and said "they will BOTH run in America".

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is just too politically correct to talk of delaying the races because of rain. A few years ago they moved a grass stake at Tampa from Sat to Tuesday because of rain. Except it never rained, was sunny and 70.
How do you know if the weather wont get worse in another day? What if you delay it a week and the weather is worse then?

If there were a rash of breakdowns that occurred I could see where people may question the track. But of all the horses that you thought may not finish a race on Sat would you not have made GW 3/5 to be the one?

I was livid.

They are proud of that turf course. It doesn't take much more than a light mist for them to take the races off.

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

I was livid.

They are proud of that turf course. It doesn't take much more than a light mist for them to take the races off.

same with RD in cincy