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10-27-2007, 09:18 PM
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dam it murtagh! , had the most horse and you are going to wait too late to be involved? all the jockeys over-reacted to the soft turf and let the quarter go in 115 , no wonder a chump like kip deville wins , while the best hores excellent art is passing him AFTER the wire...   
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10-28-2007, 04:43 AM
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I don't blame Johnny for the ride on Excellent Art, even though the horse should have won. I'm starting to think that the horse is very quirky, hence the reason why he now has looked unlucky in all of his defeats this season.
The horse didn't look like he wanted to change leads, which made him hang in towards the rail. Murtagh did everything he could to straighten him out, not once, but twice. If the horse had run straight, he wins. As i say, i've now come to the conclusion that the horse is less than straight forward to ride. Maybe Spencer didn't deserve all the flak he has recieved for some of the rides he has given the horse this year? If he returns to the track next year i will have to think twice before betting him, even though he does have a huge amount of ability. Regarding Dylan Thomas - from an American fans point of view it was obviously a good thing that they decided to run him, as he is a horse which you guys haven't seen much. From a european view though it would have been better to scratch him. We knew he wouldn't be winning on turf that soft. That was his ninth run of the year and has been on the go since April. Someone on here said he could run five lengths below his best and still win, whether that is true or not, i'm not sure but he has run at least ten lengths below his best yesterday. I know quite a few fans of After Market in America were hoping he'd be scratched for the same reasons.... because he didn't have much of a chance of soft turf and i respect their decision not to race the horse, even though, as a fan i would have liked to have seen him. Yes, it was a very sporting decision from Coolmore to run him, but it must have been a very difficult one. I think they knew deep down he had no chance on that turf after a long, hard season. Fair play to them on making the tough decision, but at the end of the day i think it was the wrong one from a european fans point of view.
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10-28-2007, 07:55 AM
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10-28-2007, 05:57 PM
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Haven't read any part of this thread.
I'd say it has to be one of the worst BC Turf races in history. 2:36 and change. Lucky I was with friends to wake me up when it was time to place bets for the Classic.
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10-28-2007, 09:44 PM
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Days and days of rain contributed to the slow times on the turf.
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10-29-2007, 10:00 AM
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1.) Crap. I have to call Kev and swallow my pride. 2.) Even after that, I still think Dylan Thomas is the best turf horse in the world. Period.
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10-29-2007, 10:18 AM
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10-29-2007, 10:20 AM
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10-29-2007, 10:25 AM
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10-29-2007, 10:34 AM
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I said somewhere on page 1 or page 2 something about EA being consistent, but Murtagh would have to watch about being too late. If anything I should be looking at more races at this moment if I can continue to accurately predict subtleties. I shouldn't even reply to this or share my thoughts. The internet is a place for witty/smartass remarks, not the finer points (or even obvious generalities) of racing! In the actual race, a grade 2 or grade 3 animal wins, and Murtagh happened to have the most horse. I don't even like Excellent Art. I have to "look in the mirror" because I happen to be able to see when a jockey had a ton of horse and made a last-of-all run to come up short? It is CLEARLY evident that the soft going caused the jockeys to adjust in terms of the pace and timing. The race was totally changed. A grade 2 or 3 level horse won because he was up near the very slow pace and could handle the surface. I couldn't even see the gallop out, but it sure seemed like EA was going to fly by him in a few strides.. Did Excellent Art suddenly pull up? Did Kip Deville suddenly bolt or something to prevent this? Honestly I can't tell on the replay and it has little if anything to do with what was evident between the gate and the wire.
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10-29-2007, 10:48 AM
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good run down It isn't easy to ship to another country and win at their game - no matter how good you are. English Channel is the best at being relatively forwardly placed and using an explosive kick. He has basically been in top form , his only loss in the past 3 or 4 was when Trippi's Storm softened him up for Grand Coutier to run a year-best effort and a perfect late run. EC still ran big in that Sworddancer. The lack of pace and the running styles of Dylan Thomas and English Channel set it up for English Channel. If EC shipped to England next month in a full field , he probably finishes out of the trifecta. It just isn't easy to ship and change styles and adapt. Doesn't necessarily mean one is better than the other. EC is the best 11-12 furlong American turf horse. Dylan Thomas won the Arc which speaks for itself.
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10-29-2007, 05:17 PM
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english channel announced as going to hurricane hall. no stud fee as yet.
ins't that where bellamy road stands?
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10-30-2007, 08:41 AM
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10-30-2007, 01:17 PM
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As a good friend of mine said the other day. The only thing Dylan Thomas' defeat has done is probably push EC up from $10k to closer to $20k. That is probably true. I'm not too familiar with his pedigree so i don't know whether he is dirt bred but better on turf, or whether he is a proper turf bred horse. If it's the later he could really struggle. I doubt the breeders in europe will be falling over themselves to use him.
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10-30-2007, 01:27 PM
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EC's female family looks pretty green. His broodmare sire is Theatrical, and the same mare (Committed) that produced EC's dam also produced the very solid turf horse Hap and was a champion runner on the grass. What the hell do I know? It looks pretty turfy to me, but it seems that there could be some solid dirt potential, especially with the advent of synthetic surfaces hosting traditionally "dirt" races.
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10-30-2007, 01:43 PM
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My guess is that his fee will have rocketed from winning the BC turf.
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10-30-2007, 04:31 PM
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10-30-2007, 04:58 PM
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