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[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

You have every right to see the world any way you want...but read your reply, in responding to a terrorist attack that takes hundreds of innocent American lives, likely many women and children, you editoralize on occupation and past methodology....some folks try way to hard to prove they are intelligent...guess what, so am I! In fact if folks want to compare IQ's....anyway, not important. My response to such an attack....BOOOOM!!!!

Oy. Well, you go on and twist it whatever way your high IQ will alow. And, if it doesn't tax your intellect, answer this... Do the Palestinians have any valid grievances against Israel? That's a simple enough question. I am rapt awaiting your response.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Oy. Well, you go on and twist it whatever way your high IQ will alow. And, if it doesn't tax your intellect, answer this... Do the Palestinians have any valid grievances against Israel? That's a simple enough question. I am rapt awaiting your response.

Of course they have valid grievances, but they have equally valid grievances against Syria, Iran and the entire terrorist world that uses their grief and honest anger to turn them into cannon fodder. There are lots of folks that I feel I have honest grievances against...I'm not allowed to kill them or their families and children...nor would I want to do so! You can't rationalize away the cold hard fact that terrorists are evil and cannot be reasoned with...if you live next door to one, I'm sorry for your situation but I'd strongly advise you to move!

[timmgirvan]

The Palestinians should have grievances against their decades of leaders and the other Arab countries that have used them as pawns in political BS!

[SentToStud]

Damn! Palestinians can't get no love from anyone. Well, here's my last contribution to a torrid topic.

1. Terrorism is bad.
2. Hezbo is bad. Much of Hamas too. So too are the other half-dozen or so other etremist Islamic groups as well as the far-right -of-right Zionists who wish ill on Arab people regardless of nationalilty or religion.
3. No easily named "good guys" or "bad guys" in this.
4. It's a failure of politics. WTF did people expect to happen in Lebanon? Fledgling democracy fairly ignored by the West with Hezbo ALLOWED to participate politically.
5. I'm not nuts about the Israelis' past history of negotiating trades of prisoners.
6. Not all Arabs want to see the Israelis pushed into the sea. Certainly I do not.
7. Much of the non-US, non-Israel world sees the rise of terrorism as the unfortunate result of the Palestinian issue. Without that issue resolved, the legitimacy of these radical groups does increase. Right or wrong.
8. Whatever happened to the "roadmap" to peace? Plenty of blame to go around.
9. I do believe the "lasting peace" goes through Palestine and the implementation of a two-state solution.
10. Wherever and whomever your thoughts are with, I hope you and yours stay safe.

No offenses meant and certainly none taken. Truly the issue of our time.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Damn! Palestinians can't get no love from anyone. Well, here's my last contribution to a torrid topic.

1. Terrorism is bad.
2. Hezbo is bad. Much of Hamas too. So too are the other half-dozen or so other etremist Islamic groups as well as the far-right -of-right Zionists who wish ill on Arab people regardless of nationalilty or religion.
3. No easily named "good guys" or "bad guys" in this.
4. It's a failure of politics. WTF did people expect to happen in Lebanon? Fledgling democracy fairly ignored by the West with Hezbo ALLOWED to participate politically.
5. I'm not nuts about the Israelis' past history of negotiating trades of prisoners.
6. Not all Arabs want to see the Israelis pushed into the sea. Certainly I do not.
7. Much of the non-US, non-Israel world sees the rise of terrorism as the unfortunate result of the Palestinian issue. Without that issue resolved, the legitimacy of these radical groups does increase. Right or wrong.
8. Whatever happened to the "roadmap" to peace? Plenty of blame to go around.
9. I do believe the "lasting peace" goes through Palestine and the implementation of a two-state solution.
10. Wherever and whomever your thoughts are with, I hope you and yours stay safe.

No offenses meant and certainly none taken. Truly the issue of our time.

Agreed, and I have to admit that I enjoy antagonizing a bit. I am 25% Arab and a strong supporter of Israel but there is plenty of blame on all sides. I think the tough talk is necessary for diplomacy to have a chance but I hope down deep, we all pray for peace! If you doubt me on this, a quick glance at my Myspace site might convince you I'm somewhat tongue-in-cheek here at times.

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

The Palestinians should have grievances against their decades of leaders and the other Arab countries that have used them as pawns in political BS!

Tim ... I made that point 47 times on another thread.

Arabia is the homeland for Arabs ... it's a very large and wealthy country ... yet its rulers keep Palestinians ... a/k/a Judean Arabs ... out of there at the point of a gun ... and so do all the other countries run by their Arab "brethren."

Yet the Palestinians are convinced that teeny-tiny Israel is their enemy and oppressor. Can the Palestinians be dumber? It's hard to see how.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

It was said today that if a major invasion of Lebanon was to take place by the IDF the Christian Arabs would join their Moslem brothers in annhilating the state of Isarel. This threat reinforces by belief that the only good Arab is a dead Arab. I still believe that the time will come, sooner rather than later, when US hating Arabs will no longer be able to walk America's streets in safety, especially in Fl., Tex. and the Bible Belt.

My daughter's teacher was killed in Lebanon Thursday. The military funeral was 3:00 pm yesterday. He leaves behind a wife and 6 Mos. old twins.

I am sickened by the casualties we are taking. For the life of me I do not understand the reasoning behind having a nuclear arsenal and not USING it.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki PROVED "nuclear action" WORKS. Although the decimation of Tokyo and Dresden was far greater than that of Hiroshima and Nagasaki the message was gotten and the war ended in a matter of days, not weeks.

I am fully aware of the problems in nuking Lebanon (to close to our border and the winds could cause havoc to Israel). The same problem DOES NOT exist with Damascus and Tehran.

Mssrs. Olmert and Bush,

The TIME has COME................

Dateline: Haifa, Israel

Well, I had "retired" from this thread, but I'll make a special exception for this wingnut.

1. Your "only good Arab is a dead Arab" comment ... bigotry noted. Tsk, tsk.

2. Arabs at risk in FL, Tx, etc....? Well, we're getting along just fine with our Semite bretheren down here in So Flo. Are the "death squads" more active in Texas? Have Bush Sr.'s vast array of Saudi pals been disinvited from the barbeques?

3. Yes, the Lebanese are showing some spine. Why the hell shouldn't they? Israel was way off in assessing this likelihood. They will amass more and more troops at the border in a show of strength but that's about as far as they'll go. The Israelis, as I noted several times, want no part of the Syrians.

4. Use of nuclear weapons? For this? A border skirmish? Really now. I"t's not going to happen. I think you imagine yorself strapped to a bomb headed for Damascus waving your hat like in that movie.... yee ha!

5, Your daughter's teacher. Too bad but, as you noted, there will be casualties. May Allah have mercy on his soul.

A couple years ago Israel traded 430 prisoners to get back Elhanan. Bad, very bad precedent. Hopefully Israel will not continue down this ill-advised path. Instead of focusing on trading prisoners this time, hopefully Israel will work harder on a longer-term solution.

[somerfrost]

Well, two things...there will be no uniting of Arabs worldwide against Israel, that's an empty threat. secondly, Syria would stand no chance against the Israeli army...none, zip, nada! I mean really, Syria fighting a conventional war, defending themselves instead of brainwashing others into doing their fighting for them??? Wouldn't last but a couple days! Iran would be a lot tougher, rough country side coupled with actual fanatics...but the result would never be in doubt!

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Well, two things...there will be no uniting of Arabs worldwide against Israel, that's an empty threat. secondly, Syria would stand no chance against the Israeli army...none, zip, nada! I mean really, Syria fighting a conventional war, defending themselves instead of brainwashing others into doing their fighting for them??? Wouldn't last but a couple days! Iran would be a lot tougher, rough country side coupled with actual fanatics...but the result would never be in doubt!

lets make it clear that the Israeli army is basically a branch of the US military. Lets make that clear. a couple of billion a year over the last fifty will give you some pretty sweet little gadgets.

I love how someone who claims to be "further left than anyone on this forum" speaks of war as if it is some kind of sporting contest. I love how someone who claims to want to "compare IQ scores" could come across as being so utterly ignorant.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

lets make it clear that the Israeli army is basically a branch of the US military. Lets make that clear. a couple of billion a year over the last fifty will give you some pretty sweet little gadgets.

I love how someone who claims to be "further left than anyone on this forum" speaks of war as if it is some kind of sporting contest. I love how someone who claims to want to "compare IQ scores" could come across as being so utterly ignorant.

I don't think that there is any contradiction about someone who leans left being a strong supporter of Israel. It's basically a non-partisan issue. Israel has strong bi-partisan support in both the House and the Senate.
With regard to your contention that some people sound like they are pro-war, nobody likes war, but there isn't any alternative when you're dealing with terrorists.

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

It was said today that if a major invasion of Lebanon was to take place by the IDF the Christian Arabs would join their Moslem brothers in annhilating the state of Isarel. This threat reinforces by belief that the only good Arab is a dead Arab. I still believe that the time will come, sooner rather than later, when US hating Arabs will no longer be able to walk America's streets in safety, especially in Fl., Tex. and the Bible Belt.

My daughter's teacher was killed in Lebanon Thursday. The military funeral was 3:00 pm yesterday. He leaves behind a wife and 6 Mos. old twins.

I am sickened by the casualties we are taking. For the life of me I do not understand the reasoning behind having a nuclear arsenal and not USING it.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki PROVED "nuclear action" WORKS. Although the decimation of Tokyo and Dresden was far greater than that of Hiroshima and Nagasaki the message was gotten and the war ended in a matter of days, not weeks.

I am fully aware of the problems in nuking Lebanon (to close to our border and the winds could cause havoc to Israel). The same problem DOES NOT exist with Damascus and Tehran.

Mssrs. Olmert and Bush,

The TIME has COME................

Dateline: Haifa, Israel

Sorry to learn about your daughter's teacher. What a tragedy for his beautiful family. He gave his life defending freedom ... may it not have been in vain.

But I think all this jabber about the Lebanese army joining with Hezbollah ... is just that ... a bunch of jabber and political posturing. I don't think there's the remotest chance that they will do that ... or that they even want to.

Ralph Peters today compared Olmert to Clinton ... a weak leader who only sends out bombers ... but who is afraid to put boots on the ground. I hope and pray that isn't true ... but so far Olmert gets a "D" ... and is closing in on an "F." What a mistake Israel made by not putting Bibi back in charge.

[Assttodixie]

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

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I voted for Bibi EVERY time he ran, both in the primaries and the general electons. He lives across the street from my familly on Hadar St. in Caesarea. Ironically when he lived in the US and I lived at 19 E. 80th ST. he lived on 81st and Madison (destined to be neighbors).

The above being said, I think the op Olmert is running (giving the IDF and the IAF Generals the dice) has been FLAWLESS.

Once again, I am SICK of taking casualties. F**K the ground invasion and DOUBLE F**K occupation.

YOU have sophisticated nuclear ordinance, USE IT................

Gen. George Patton, "Let some other bastard die for HIS country".

Okay, boss- Ive talked to Mr. Olmert and he has decided to use your war strategy. I knew it wouldnt take long. Whether it is advising Bobby Frankel or PM Olmert they all know the man with the master plan and that Dixie!

Mr. Olmert at first questioned the rationale of using Nuclear weapons against a BORDERING country. He said something about fallout and radiation and how it might do just as much harm to his own people.

He also mentioned something about the use of Nuclear weapons being Illegal but i dont know how he would begin to even imagine that Dixie didnt know that.

There were a couple of other issues but at the end of the conversation he just said "hey, if Dixie says 'drop the bomb' that means 'drop the bomb'".

I sure am proud of you boss. Your politics and war planning are extremely sound and thought out. Perhaps Mr. Bush should start listening.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Assttodixie

Okay, boss- Ive talked to Mr. Olmert and he has decided to use your war strategy. I knew it wouldnt take long. Whether it is advising Bobby Frankel or PM Olmert they all know the man with the master plan and that Dixie!

Mr. Olmert at first questioned the rationale of using Nuclear weapons against a BORDERING country. He said something about fallout and radiation and how it might do just as much harm to his own people.

He also mentioned something about the use of Nuclear weapons being Illegal but i dont know how he would begin to even imagine that Dixie didnt know that.

There were a couple of other issues but at the end of the conversation he just said "hey, if Dixie says 'drop the bomb' that means 'drop the bomb'".

I sure am proud of you boss. Your politics and war planning are extremely sound and thought out. Perhaps Mr. Bush should start listening.

Assisttodixie,
Now we're talking! Let's get this done as soon as possible.
Otherwise, Hezzbos are going to take lessons from the Vietnamese on how to sharpen bamboo, if ya know what I mean.
The USA and Israel shouldn't have to endure the indignity of getting their
butts handed to them by people that uses bicycles, sharpened sticks, and strap on bombs. Looks like they're running low on katuskas. Let's get this over with! Dixie is right! Now need for further talk!!!
Bring it on!

Originally Posted by Assttodixie

Okay, boss- Ive talked to Mr. Olmert and he has decided to use your war strategy. I knew it wouldnt take long. Whether it is advising Bobby Frankel or PM Olmert they all know the man with the master plan and that Dixie!

Mr. Olmert at first questioned the rationale of using Nuclear weapons against a BORDERING country. He said something about fallout and radiation and how it might do just as much harm to his own people.

He also mentioned something about the use of Nuclear weapons being Illegal but i dont know how he would begin to even imagine that Dixie didnt know that.

There were a couple of other issues but at the end of the conversation he just said "hey, if Dixie says 'drop the bomb' that means 'drop the bomb'".

I sure am proud of you boss. Your politics and war planning are extremely sound and thought out. Perhaps Mr. Bush should start listening.

Fupeg ... Fupeg ... we already knew that you weren't Dixie's favorite piece of assistant ... and this post only affirms it.

Dixie has already posted that Israel shouldn't use nukes on a neighboring country ... but should drop them way up in Syria ... where they'll have the best military effect ... and the least ancillary fallout.

If he really were your Boss ... wouldn't you have typed out his earlier post ... and known what was in it?

Now go back to those two cute kids ... and be a good little mommy ... and let the big, strong, chiselled-chin men do all the heavy thinking.

[Assttodixie]

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

Got a feelin my 2nd favorite poster is hittin the bottle agin. Previously when she was trolling around back of my tail she would not have made such a dumb and humiliating error.

As far as nulear fallout, we have the most sophisticated nuclear arsenal in the world (YES that includes the US). Today's weaponary is clean enough so that no matter what the wind conditions Israel would go untouched after strikes on Damascus and Tehran.. Even a drunk like fupeg would still take a long look at the wheather before deployment of such ordinance just to be on "the side of the angels".

In keeping the record straight, although I am eccstatically happy, impressed and amazed by the job Olmert is doing, I did not vote for him. I voted for Bibi. As a last fact, I have never met, nor talked to the man, although I would be honored to do so.

Going on the record one last time, Olmert made one gross MISCALCULATION. He said we would bomb Lebanon back into the early 80's.
Had he calculated correctly he would have said the early 1940's.

Boss-

You always have the answers. Ive learned so much from you! The WORLD has learned so much from you. Just think- it wasnt until today that i find out that Israel has more advanced Nuclear capability than the US. Those secret underground facilities and their single reactor would definitely trump anything the US may have. i mean,the US has only been making nuclear weapons since before Israel was even in existance. Israeli nuclear technology was only MOSTLY borrowed from the US so it only figures that they would have a more sophisticated arsenal. Hey, maybe thats why they didnt sign the NPT. One step ahead as always boss. One step ahead.

And as far as fallout travelling, how would they know? How would they be able to test it? And if they did test it, wouldnt that be...illegal?????? Damascus is a little more than 100 miles from Jerusalem (of course- you knew that) so there isnt a chance with all of that sophisticated, untested technology that it could possibly travel that far or even to other places. You are right again boss...right again.

Yes, now i know why Olmert listens to you. Your war strategy is absolutely brilliant! Napolean salutes you from his grave.

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

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I think the op Olmert is running (giving the IDF and the IAF Generals the dice) has been FLAWLESS.

I'll cede to you, johnny-on-the-spot ... and hope and pray that you're right.

By the way ... you may have noticed that Fupeg is back on the scene with her record machine ... claiming to be your favorite piece of assistant.

That's only because things are so excruciatingly boring over at that other forum ... that her middlingly creative mind is screaming for a satisfactory outlet ...

... which she can only find by trailing us around.

If only she were smart enough to recognize that we're her natural allies and mentors ... she'd have a much, much happier life. Oh Fu ... Fu ... Fu ... you've made such bad choices of "friends" ... please pray to God to give you the gift of a bit more wisdom.