Who will be burning money?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

So when he runs, what are you going to say? I have neither the time, nor the energy to dissect each point you make and I am not trying to be rude. But over the last few days I think people are going nuts. We've heard cancelling races, off the turf, jocks boycotting and now seemingly the biggest cinch on the day is scratching because of the tainted reasons you have above.

The Arc stats are misleading, take a good look at them, or better yet, watch the Youbet show BTW did, it discusses it. He has made his mark and will be a very high commodity as a sire when he retires. Nothing he does tomorrow will taint that. He has had a unbelievable career. He'll run.

the guy simply thinks there is a chance he won't run, and gave his reasons for it. why is it necessary for you to imply he is nuts? why does every poster have to pass your sanity test or else get badgered to no end? its so tiresome.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

the guy simply thinks there is a chance he won't run, and gave his reasons for it. why is it necessary for you to imply he is nuts? why does every poster have to pass your sanity test or else get badgered to no end? its so tiresome.

Thank you, Arljim.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

the guy simply thinks there is a chance he won't run, and gave his reasons for it. why is it necessary for you to imply he is nuts? why does every poster have to pass your sanity test or else get badgered to no end? its so tiresome.

Jim, he lives alone for a reason.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Not sure exactly what i did wrong in this thread other than question an outlandish statement. Which, as we now see was an outlandish statement because Dylan Thomas IS running. See anyone can claim to be an insider and pull numbers out of their ass, but some people actually take this stuff serious. 75% to scratch?? Somone better tell that to the connections and all of the people that have bet Dylan Thomas today. Good call guys!!!

whats wrong with an outlandish opinion? thats what a longshot is.
what you did wrong is that you hound certain peoples opinions over and over as if you are superior. of course it was likely that he would run, you're not a hero to point that out.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

This is hounding??? This was how I responded to him. Not trying to be a hero. that's your job. The board Robin Hood. Like I said, SOME people take this stuff seriously and people come here looking for information.

I also find it humorous that when I defend you, my tactics are okay. Otherwise you are so offended. Nice to know.

thats really funny, that you were protecting the accuracy of information for people who take this stuff seriously. let me ask you if you really think people who take this stuff seriously will look on this board and then read someones opinion that Dylan Thomas might scratch and then act upon it? thats the definition of someone that doesn't take this stuff seriously.

so, from the guy who fancies himself as the leader of the board predators, i'm bestowed the title of board robin hood? i'm honored.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

No, people that take it seriously laughed at the comment, trust me.

People that bet a few days a year or not often, or newcomers to the sport come here looking for help I'd imagine. I just thought his declaration of 75% not to run was incorrect and remind me, is he running? Again, was I not civil when talking with him? Jim, where are you when people are talking about other posters family members? You have a real short memory man....

GD troublemaker...

[MarkyD]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

No, people that take it seriously laughed at the comment, trust me.

People that bet a few days a year or not often, or newcomers to the sport come here looking for help I'd imagine. I just thought his declaration of 75% not to run was incorrect and remind me, is he running? Again, was I not civil when talking with him? Jim, where are you when people are talking about other posters family members? You have a real short memory man....

yeah, guys like me, bet twice a year. Tell you what all the Dylan smack talking on here did. It helped me drop the race all together. there are plenty of others.

[NoChanceToDance]

Hate to say it, but they shouldn't have run him.

Not even hit the board!!!

I hope you all avoided him like the plague!

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Hate to say it, but they shouldn't have run him.

Not even hit the board!!!

I hope you all avoided him like the plague!

Avoided him, but also avoided Shamalamadingdong in the exacta

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I did avoid the race and you were right, they should have avoided it, but he did run. So you get a 1/2 point.

Very disappointed with Coolmore after that stupid decision. There was no reason to run him.

I can't say i was surprised though, as soon as he made the track he was going to get stuffed.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Not sure exactly what i did wrong in this thread other than question an outlandish statement. Which, as we now see was an outlandish statement because Dylan Thomas IS running. See anyone can claim to be an insider and pull numbers out of their ass, but some people actually take this stuff serious. 75% to scratch?? Somone better tell that to the connections and all of the people that have bet Dylan Thomas today. Good call guys!!!

Am i not allowed an honest opinion?

I thought it was very unlikely that Dylan Thomas would run with all of the rain forecast, given what they have said about soft turf before with this. Anyway, who has said he is sure to run? Last i read on any of the racing websites was that Aidan O'Brien was "very concerned about soft ground".

I gave valid reasons why they could (and maybe should scratch him) and i got my head biten off.

I take it you have never been wrong before?

Am i bothered that it looks like i was wrong.

It's just like someone making a call saying a 100/1 will win.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Twist away. You made a statement like you had some kind of inside info that you never had. That is all I was saying originally and now. I didn't bite your head off and now that Robin Hood came to your side you want to play the martyr role. Fine, go for it. All I did was question it. Sorry if you don't like someone questioning you, but I was civil to you.

The 75% was my opinion, if he was my horse in the exact same situation i wouldn't run him. I don't think he has much of a chance on soft ground, but i don't know how good your horses are on soft, either.

Apart from the managers at coolmore america where did i sound like i had inside information? I gave my own reasons for why i thought he wouldn't run. What is wrong with that?

I can understand the posts if i cam on and said "Dylan Thmoas won't run" without giving any reasons whatsoever.

Anyway, it's done. If he runs, he runs and i don't think he will win. That again is my opinion, you don't have to agree with me.

[SentToStud]

DT predators going on tilt early on BC day.

[NoChanceToDance]

Can i just ask......

English Channel and Better Talk Now, i know they are two of your best turf horses at this sort of trip and they seem to hold their form very well, BUT.... how good actually are they? I only get to see these horses once or twice a year and i can't really get a hold of their form.

I know English Channel didn't finish too far in front of Stream Of Gold on a recent start (was that his last start?) and Stream Of Gold was only really a handicapper over here.

What about Better Talk Now? I know less about him other than he finished second in this last year, so he must be half decent.

If they do run DT will he be able to win on the bridle? My worry is that he won't find those extra gears he has in this soft ground that is likely. I still don't think they are keen to run him, but it's weather they think his class can see him through, but i'm just not sure.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Can i just ask......

English Channel and Better Talk Now, i know they are two of your best turf horses at this sort of trip and they seem to hold their form very well, BUT.... how good actually are they? I only get to see these horses once or twice a year and i can't really get a hold of their form.

I know English Channel didn't finish too far in front of Stream Of Gold on a recent start (was that his last start?) and Stream Of Gold was only really a handicapper over here.

What about Better Talk Now? I know less about him other than he finished second in this last year, so he must be half decent.

If they do run DT will he be able to win on the bridle? My worry is that he won't find those extra gears he has in this soft ground that is likely. I still don't think they are keen to run him, but it's weather they think his class can see him through, but i'm just not sure.

Stream of Gold also just ran fourth behind Cloudy's Knight, Quijano, and Ask at Woodbine last Sunday.

How would you rate Quijano and Ask? It might go a long way in determining what kind of animal Stream of Gold is/has become since coming here, and that might help you get a feel for English Channel, etc.

Also, if you watch the race where English Channel "didn't finish too far in front of" Stream of Gold, you'll see that there's a huge reason for it. If you haven't actually seen that race, you absolutely need to before using Stream of Gold's performance vis a vis English Channel in that race as any sort of measuring stick.

EC's barely beating him could (and should) have been an open lengths romp.

[brockguy]

the fact that EngChan is 2nd fav after a less than stellar season just shows how poor this race is.. after dylan, id be looking at someone other than EC, BTN or Red Rocks to finish 2nd. Alot of the guys here like Shamdinan.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by brockguy

the fact that EngChan is 2nd fav after a less than stellar season just shows how poor this race is.. after dylan, id be looking at someone other than EC, BTN or Red Rocks to finish 2nd. Alot of the guys here like Shamdinan.

I'm not pulling the "inside information" routine here -- just saying that a racing blogger I respect said that Shamdinan was the most visually unimpressive horse he saw all day today at Monmouth. He said his coat looked poor and that he just didn't look like he was ready to throw in a good performance tomorrow.

I like Shamdinan a lot on paper, and won't necessarily toss him because someone said he didn't look great, but it made me take pause.

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I'm not pulling the "inside information" routine here -- just saying that a racing blogger I respect said that Shamdinan was the most visually unimpressive horse he saw all day today at Monmouth. He said his coat looked poor and that he just didn't look like he was ready to throw in a good performance tomorrow.

I like Shamdinan a lot on paper, and won't necessarily toss him because someone said he didn't look great, but it made me take pause.

He does NOT like soft turf. The drier it is, the better he'll do.

[brockguy]

Shamdinan? his best race in Europe and his best race in the States were both on softish (well good ground in the states!) ground..

[zippyneedsawin]

I think I will be near the top of the list when it comes to burning money on Saturday... I usually do on BC day... oh wait.. what's the topic of this thread?