Indian Vale

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

at a minimum i see Indian Vale and Bear Now as faster early than Hysterical Lady.

Hystericalady was cross entered in the Sprint race ...

She's won at 4.5 furlongs, a stakes winner at 5 furlongs, set the pace in the INSANELY fast paced Las Flores at 6 furlongs earlier in the year, won a Grade 1 race at 7 furlongs at Churchill by open lengths after being rated very hard and sitting about a length off of the speed crazy Shaggy Mane.

And you think Indian Vale is faster? A daughter of Belmont winner A.P Indy, who's made the early lead just once in the last two years - when she set the pace in the disgracefully paceless Next Move at AQU.

Bear Now obviously doesn't have the raw speed of a Hystericalady - but she needs the lead and Hystericalady doesn't...and she's drawn inside of HL.

I'd like to see Flores send HL, but he's annoyingly patient, especially when drawn outside. If she doesn't clear, and gets hung up on the first turn, I think HL can still win with rating tactics.

Prior to running on the synthetic surfaces - Hystericalady was seen as some brilliant speed crazy run-off who couldn't rate...if someone said after her Humana win that Indian Vale was faster than her...it would compete with the legendary Excellent Meeting reminds me a lot of Alydar comment from AOL about five years ago.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Hystericalady was cross entered in the Sprint race ...

She's won at 4.5 furlongs, a stakes winner at 5 furlongs, set the pace in the INSANELY fast paced Las Flores at 6 furlongs earlier in the year, won a Grade 1 race at 7 furlongs at Churchill by open lengths after being rated very hard and sitting about a length off of the speed crazy Shaggy Mane.

And you think Indian Vale is faster? A daughter of Belmont winner A.P Indy, who's made the early lead just once in the last two years - when she set the pace in the disgracefully paceless Next Move at AQU.

Bear Now obviously doesn't have the raw speed of a Hystericalady - but she needs the lead and Hystericalady doesn't...and she's drawn inside of HL.

I'd like to see Flores send HL, but he's annoyingly patient, especially when drawn outside. If she doesn't clear, and gets hung up on the first turn, I think HL can still win with rating tactics.

Prior to running on the synthetic surfaces - Hystericalady was seen as some brilliant speed crazy run-off who couldn't rate...if someone said after her Humana win that Indian Vale was faster than her...it would compete with the legendary Excellent Meeting reminds me a lot of Alydar comment from AOL about five years ago.

i was merely comparing how these horses ration their speed in route races, not making a claim that Indian Vale is a faster sprinter than Hysterical Lady. Last I looked the subject race is being run at nine furlongs.

of course she is fast, but this is not a sprint we are talking about here and she doesn't run a sprint-like pace in her route races for reasons that should be obvious. whether you want to believe it or not Indian Vale and Bear Now run pace numbers in their route races that are faster than Hysterical Ladys numbers from her route races. by saying that I am not making a meaningless generic statement that those horses are faster than Hysterical Lady. you're looking for Hysterical Lady to make an explosive move off the turn to take the lead and win, I don't see that happening.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

i was merely comparing how these horses ration their speed in route races, not making a claim that Indian Vale is a faster sprinter than Hysterical Lady. Last I looked the subject race is being run at nine furlongs.

of course she is fast, but this is not a sprint we are talking about here and she doesn't run a sprint-like pace in her route races for reasons that should be obvious. whether you want to believe it or not Indian Vale and Bear Now run pace numbers in their route races that are faster than Hysterical Ladys numbers from her route races. by saying that I am not making a meaningless generic statement that those horses are faster than Hysterical Lady. you're looking for Hysterical Lady to make an explosive move off the turn to take the lead and win, I don't see that happening.

3 of the last 4 routes are on Poly and the other route shee made an easy lead and towered over the field and drew off.. As a 3 year old she routed on dirt with equal or better pace the IV.. Anyway IV is on to the breedibg shed and hopefully the Pletcher magic drugs are out of her system

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by freddymo

3 of the last 4 routes are on Poly and the other route shee made an easy lead and towered over the field and drew off.. As a 3 year old she routed on dirt with equal or better pace the IV.. Anyway IV is on to the breedibg shed and hopefully the Pletcher magic drugs are out of her system

the surfaces at Hollywood and Santa Anita are not polytrack. I know many people loosely refer to all synthetic surfaces as polytrack, but the cushion track surface is distinctly different than polytrack.

[King Glorious]

I have no problem with Indian Vale being favored. She's unbeaten at the distance when running two-turns and there is a chance that she can be the speed of the race. Even if she isn't leading it, she's shown several times that she can run with other horses during the early stages and still finish. Perhaps Unbridled Belle should have been made the favorite and she has finished ahead of IV the last three races to back up her position. But two of those were at 10f, obviously too far for IV. I think these two are the top two in the race and were equally deserving of the favorite role in a pretty open race.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

the surfaces at Hollywood and Santa Anita are not polytrack. I know many people loosely refer to all synthetic surfaces as polytrack, but the cushion track surface is distinctly different than polytrack.

You are right Cushion isn't poly but carpet isnt dirt..HL is going to on the lead at the head of the stretch

[robfla]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I'd like to see Flores send HL,

isn't Castro aboard? I would much prefer Castro over Flores

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Prior to running on the synthetic surfaces - Hystericalady was seen as some brilliant speed crazy run-off who couldn't rate...if someone said after her Humana win that Indian Vale was faster than her...it would compete with the legendary Excellent Meeting reminds me a lot of Alydar comment from AOL about five years ago.

that comment was from 1999 i believe dude. how does the HL vs IV speed issue compare to the legendary comment that Johar wouldn't win the BC because he would not be able to get loose on the lead?