Stud fees...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

The few babies that I've seen of his haven't been all that impressive although they've been selling well. I guess it would be too early for his fee to drop now, but I'll be interested to see how fast his babies are.

They really did not sell well at all. Virtually all the weanling pinhooks lost money, in some cases big money. There were a ton of RNA's that had little interest and the 2nd highest selling colt at $600k was a phony sale as it was bought by his breeder. Very few people who paid 100k for his services made out well.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They really did not sell well at all. Virtually all the weanling pinhooks lost money, in some cases big money. There were a ton of RNA's that had little interest and the 2nd highest selling colt at $600k was a phony sale as it was bought by his breeder. Very few people who paid 100k for his services made out well.

You know better than I do... I only read into what Three Chimney's posted:

“Smarty Jones’ foals towered over the progeny by other 2006 first-crop sires with a median of $270,000 for eight sold, which is nearly $100,000 more than second-ranked Medaglia d’Oro’s strong median of $175,000 for 21 sold. By average price, Smarty Jones has a smaller but still substantial lead. His $275,625 average is nearly $60,00 higher than that of second-place Speightstown.”

In the same issue of MarketWatch, it was reported that the Second Leading North American Sire by 2006 Median Weanling price was Dynaformer with a median of $300,000 for five sold and the Third Leading Sire by Median was Smarty Jones with eight sold for a median of $270,000. Next closest were Empire Maker ($220,000 median) and Elusive Quality ($210,000 median).

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

You know better than I do... I only read into what Three Chimney's posted:

“Smarty Jones’ foals towered over the progeny by other 2006 first-crop sires with a median of $270,000 for eight sold, which is nearly $100,000 more than second-ranked Medaglia d’Oro’s strong median of $175,000 for 21 sold. By average price, Smarty Jones has a smaller but still substantial lead. His $275,625 average is nearly $60,00 higher than that of second-place Speightstown.”

In the same issue of MarketWatch, it was reported that the Second Leading North American Sire by 2006 Median Weanling price was Dynaformer with a median of $300,000 for five sold and the Third Leading Sire by Median was Smarty Jones with eight sold for a median of $270,000. Next closest were Empire Maker ($220,000 median) and Elusive Quality ($210,000 median).

It is mostly just BS. MDO was probably the biggest surprise. He had a lot of nice horses

[philcski]

For bargain basement, the Durings I saw at the sale looked very good.

As for Smarty Jones, I may have been his biggest fan on track. Seriously. But his yearlings have been just so-so looking, then again he was rather plucky looking... until they opened the gates.

Point Given may end up like Pleasant Tap, ignored because his offspring take time to mature. Think the same thing will happen with Rock Hard Ten.

[PPerfectfan]

Originally Posted by philcski

For bargain basement, the Durings I saw at the sale looked very good.

As for Smarty Jones, I may have been his biggest fan on track. Seriously. But his yearlings have been just so-so looking, then again he was rather plucky looking... until they opened the gates.

Point Given may end up like Pleasant Tap, ignored because his offspring take time to mature. Think the same thing will happen with Rock Hard Ten.

And also "my" boy Pleasantly Perfect. I really think he will be a nice stud, if his colts are given time to mature. 'Course I am prejudiced, I just love the big guy.

[miraja2]

Point Given obviously hasn't been a big hit as a sire, but it is hard to believe that he is going to be standing for $15,000 while Eddington stands for $20,000.
I think I'd send a mare to Point Given over Eddington any day.

[Indian Charlie]

indian charlie has been a phenom at stud, considering the incredible lack of quality he's gotten in the mares sent to him.

at least 75% of the mares sent to him in his first 3 crops were either unraced or never won a race. very few stallions have moved up mares (according to that index number that is used for that purpose) as well as IC has.

interestingly enough, the last time i really looked into stallions that dramatically moved up their mares, distorted humor blew away everyone, by a large margin.

another baffert runner that's making a good name for himself is vindication. it's still early though, so who knows.

real quiet, as previously mentioned, gets the occasional really nice runner.

el corredor has been useful!

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Point Given obviously hasn't been a big hit as a sire, but it is hard to believe that he is going to be standing for $15,000 while Eddington stands for $20,000.
I think I'd send a mare to Point Given over Eddington any day.

Eddington is areally nice colt and getting Unbridled up close is less available then Mr P blood. Even the super plodder Saarland sold well

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Eddington is areally nice colt and getting Unbridled up close is less available then Mr P blood. Even the super plodder Saarland sold well

this doesn't make much sense....
unbridled is by fappiano who is by Mr. P....which is closer than PG who is by T. Gulch who is by Gulch who is by Mr. P

and other sons of unbridled in KY include (and I am sure I have missed a couple)....
the big 2: unbridled's Song and Empire Maker
the rest: Malabar Gold, Saarland, Broken Vow, Anees, Mustanfar....and isn't Harlington around somewhere?

and Regional studs include....
Red Bullet fl
Wheelaway NY
Unbridled Jet MD
Unbridled Vision CO


he's not exactly unavailable in the bluegrass....

Eddington stands for more than Point Given because he unproven as yet....with PG you know what you are getting and his yearlings are generally not that spectacular looking....Eddington should have a sales edge on him in that regard.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

this doesn't make much sense....
unbridled is by fappiano who is by Mr. P....which is closer than PG who is by T. Gulch who is by Gulch who is by Mr. P

and other sons of unbridled in KY include (and I am sure I have missed a couple)....
the big 2: unbridled's Song and Empire Maker
the rest: Malabar Gold, Saarland, Broken Vow, Anees, Mustanfar....and isn't Harlington around somewhere?

and Regional studs include....
Red Bullet fl
Wheelaway NY
Unbridled Jet MD
Unbridled Vision CO


he's not exactly unavailable in the bluegrass....

Eddington stands for more than Point Given because he unproven as yet....with PG you know what you are getting and his yearlings are generally not that spectacular looking....Eddington should have a sales edge on him in that regard.

now why would you go and say something that makes sense? have you no sense of fun?