Hypthetical Derby--1970-2006

Originally Posted by miraja2

I don't me to be insulting, but I think this is not a very good list. The original deal was supposed to be May and June of their 3yo season. You used ONLY the Derby to make your list. Who cares if Smarty's time was slow? He was running in a swamp!!
Risen Star is so much more qualified than Strike the Gold that it boggles the mind.
Easy Goer CLEARLY belongs over Gato Del Sol. The list goes on and on. I think you had better factor in Preakness and Belmont results if you want to talk about May and June.

Maybe so, but a Derby win trumps any other race since it is the hardest to win.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Maybe so, but a Derby win trumps any other race since it is the hardest to win.

It may be the most important, but I just can't take the list seriously when it does not include a horse like Risen Star but includes some one-race wonders.
I would say that overall in May and June of '91, Hansel was better than Strike the Gold, but I would not include EITHER of those on the list.
Smarty Jones DID win the Derby, and he went on to DOMINATE the Preakness and finish second in the Belmont. How was his TC season not better than Strike the Gold's?

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by miraja2

It may be the most important, but I just can't take the list seriously when it does not include a horse like Risen Star but includes some one-race wonders.
I would say that overall in May and June of '91, Hansel was better than Strike the Gold, but I would not include EITHER of those on the list.
Smarty Jones DID win the Derby, and he went on to DOMINATE the Preakness and finish second in the Belmont. How was his TC season not better than Strike the Gold's?

I agree.. The best horse doesn't always in the Derby.. I think Little Current should be in the starting gate!

[Byebyemermaid]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

I agree.. The best horse doesn't always in the Derby.. I think Little Current should be in the starting gate!

Agree completely.little deserves to be on that list.he might not of been as good as Secretariat and Spectacular Bid,but if not for a horrendous trip in the derby he quite possibly would have been a triple crown winner.

Originally Posted by Byebyemermaid

Agree completely.little deserves to be on that list.he might not of been as good as Secretariat and Spectacular Bid,but if not for a horrendous trip in the derby he quite possibly would have been a triple crown winner.

Little Current is not on the list because he did not win the Kentucky Derby.

The list consists of Kentucky Derby WINNERS only.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Maybe so, but a Derby win trumps any other race since it is the hardest to win.

I agree with your including only Kentucky Derby winners ... but not for that reason.

Having winners-only makes compiling the list much simpler ... maybe ... because look at all the arguments that even winners-only generates.

[slotdirt]

Seriously though, if we're talking about solely TC form, don't see how Pleasant Colony AND Real Quiet aren't on that list. And Easy Goer for that matter. Hell, Genuine Risk probably deserves to be there over a few horses...even Unbridled (dare I say!).

[2 Dollar Bill]

How interesting would it be to put all the Triple crown winners in another
triple crown (3 races) and see if anyone thinks one could beat these to win a triple crown ? I know how tough it is to judge different horses of different years but Its ok to dream..right ? Would that make One horse, if they won all three races the true triple crown horse ? <<just some food for thought>>

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by 2 Dollar Bill

How interesting would it be to put all the Triple crown winners in another
triple crown (3 races) and see if anyone thinks one could beat these to win a triple crown ? I know how tough it is to judge different horses of different years but Its ok to dream..right ? Would that make One horse, if they won all three races the true triple crown horse ? <<just some food for thought>>

Wouldn't that be something? Of course I believe Secretariat would win and win rather easily but it would be fun! Some are less highly thought of than others but I bet there would be some surprises! Citation and Man O War would seem to fill out the tri but I've always wondered how great Count Fleet really was??? Hard to judge because of the war-time restrictions and the fact that he never raced after the Belmont but deep down I have a feeling he might have been second only to the god of all horses....

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Wouldn't that be something? Of course I believe Secretariat would win and win rather easily but it would be fun! Some are less highly thought of than others but I bet there would be some surprises! Citation and Man O War would seem to fill out the tri but I've always wondered how great Count Fleet really was??? Hard to judge because of the war-time restrictions and the fact that he never raced after the Belmont but deep down I have a feeling he might have been second only to the god of all horses....

What about War Admiral. I think he was better than Citation and Man O War. Didnt ESPN do this last year and Durkin made the call? Man I cant remember who won the race, I think it was Secretariat but I am not sure.

[hockey2315]

What about Charismatic being included? I don't think he'd win, but he did win 2/3 legs of the Triple Crown. . .

[slotdirt]

http://www.hitak.com/home/alydar/tripcrwn.htm

Originally Posted by BOMBTHREAT

Where did you get the replays to watch all of these derby's?

www.kyderby.com - you cant watch the replays of Derby's