Lies & Lying Liars that tell them

Sounds like the original poster has some connections to NYRA?

Defend them all you want but the facts are that NYRA went bankrupt and NYRA has been indicted.

As a writer, which you are, you need to learn how to read words correctly.

Perhaps you should take out a dictionary and learn the meaning of the words WERE and WENT.

Pretty sloppy calling somebody a Liar when what they are stating is 100% factually correct. The only error is saying that NYRA is part of the government. And that isn't lying, that is just incompetence. So maybe he doesn't qualify to be running racing in NY, but his incompetence does make me think he would make a good member of the NYRA gate crew. LOL

Please stick to facts and stop with the cheerleading.

Perhaps you have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise?

[sumitas]

The Gov has cited NYRA as the new franchise holder. Why should hacks be allowed to alter that ? How much money has Bruno's son been paid to lobby for Empire ?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

Sounds like the original poster has some connections to NYRA?

Defend them all you want but the facts are that NYRA went bankrupt and NYRA has been indicted.

As a writer, which you are, you need to learn how to read words correctly.

Perhaps you should take out a dictionary and learn the meaning of the words WERE and WENT.

Pretty sloppy calling somebody a Liar when what they are stating is 100% factually correct. The only error is saying that NYRA is part of the government. And that isn't lying, that is just incompetence. So maybe he doesn't qualify to be running racing in NY, but his incompetence does make me think he would make a good member of the NYRA gate crew. LOL

Please stick to facts and stop with the cheerleading.

Perhaps you have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise?

And do you THINK that these slot driven groups can do any better with the "on track" race product? I THINK NOT! I just "so called" horseplayers that think these groups can think anyone can do better than NYRA. New York racing is the BEST in the country.....why "F" with! Facts are NYRA has straighten up thier act, I want GOOD racing and can less about the VLTS. Trouble is...you guys believe everything you see in print. Do me a favor...DON'T PLAY if it's that troubling to you!

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

Please stick to facts and stop with the cheerleading.

Perhaps you have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise?

I do have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise and I make no apologies about doing so.. In addition, I don't want take out increased as Capital Play and Empire BOTH outlined in their proposals to the state as part of their 'innovative' approaches.

And as a side note, until some else pays the bills at this website, I'll cheerlead all I want..

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I do have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise and I make no apologies about doing so.. In addition, I don't want take out increased as Capital Play and Empire BOTH outlined in their proposals to the state as part of their 'innovative' approaches.

And as a side note, until some else pays the bills at this website, I'll cheerlead all I want..

Go Steve! Just wonder what these people think how much better it would be with these groups who know NOTHING about thoroughbred racing running racing in the Empire State.

[theiman]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I do have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise and I make no apologies about doing so.. In addition, I don't want take out increased as Capital Play and Empire BOTH outlined in their proposals to the state as part of their 'innovative' approaches.

And as a side note, until some else pays the bills at this website, I'll cheerlead all I want..

The title of this topic is: Lies & Lying Liars that tell them

Please explain to me what was the lie that Mr. Goodell stated in your first post.

Also joining in on the frivolity, Andrew Goodell of Capital Play:

Andrew Goodell of Capital Play, another of the companies bidding and one of whose partners helps run the Melbourne Cup, disagreed. "The difference between us and NYRA is our attendance numbers go up and theirs go down. Our revenue has doubled in the last five years, while NYRA has gone into bankruptcy," he said.


I cant argue with you on Mr. Perle's statement.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by theiman

The title of this topic is: Lies & Lying Liars that tell them

Please explain to me what was the lie that Mr. Goodell stated in your first post.

Also joining in on the frivolity, Andrew Goodell of Capital Play:

[b]Andrew Goodell of Capital Play, another of the companies bidding and one of whose partners helps run the Melbourne Cup, disagreed. "The difference between us and NYRA is our attendance numbers go up and theirs go down. Our revenue has doubled in the last five years, while NYRA has gone into bankruptcy," he said.


I cant argue with you on Mr. Perle's statement.

And do they race year round in Australia ? I think the Saratoga numbers have been pretty good the last 20 years.

Meanwhile, racing in your state has been booming

[fpsoxfan]

I can't believe Australian Racing and New York Racing are even being mentioned in the same topic. I can't say I've ever bet on a f'ing Kangaroo before. Ask ole Perlee how much money he's pumped into Bruno's pockets.
Joe Bruno is a freaking crook and that's why this thing is being held up. And guess what BENEVELOUS?? Who gives a rats ass about what you have to say about his topic to begin with.

[theiman]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

And do they race year round in Australia ? I think the Saratoga numbers have been pretty good the last 20 years.

Meanwhile, racing in your state has been booming

Saratoga is a 6 week meet. The other 46 weeks make up NYRA too.

They do have racing year round in Australia? yes.

As for my state having problems, yes California does have problems but that is not the topic on hand, and not my question to Kasept.

By the way, the 7500 who came out this past weekend to see RTR was not something I would be proud of if I were in charge of NYRA.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by theiman

Saratoga is a 6 week meet. The other 46 weeks make up NYRA too.

They do have racing year round in Australia? yes.

As for my state having problems, yes California does have problems but that is not the topic on hand, and not my question to Kasept.

By the way, the 7500 who came out this past weekend to see RTR was not something I would be proud of if I were in charge of NYRA.

And will these two other groups make things better at N.Y. tracks??? Or is thier main objective to get the state more money through VLTS...what do they know about running a thoroughbred meet...in this country?

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

And will these two other groups make things better at N.Y. tracks??? Or is thier main objective to get the state more money through VLTS...what do they know about running a thoroughbred meet...in this country?

I'm not sure, Hoff. I do know that major improvements in customer service need to be made throughout the industry in order for it to survive. It just boggles the mind how free admission and parking seems to be a cuss word to track management. Simple changes like that would make a world of difference in bringing fans back to the track.

[theiman]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

And will these two other groups make things better at N.Y. tracks??? Or is thier main objective to get the state more money through VLTS...what do they know about running a thoroughbred meet...in this country?

Magna
I guess the results for Remington 2006 and SA 2007 dont count?

CD
Arlington just released plus numbers for 2007


As for NYRA--a Chimp could run Saratoga and do great. What exactly do they do the other 46 weeks that everyone loves them?

But again, that is off topic and off from my question.

[pgiaco]

Just for the record...NYRA was indicted for looking the other way when TELLERS (not NYRA management) were shorting their tills and taking "loans". While I will never condone the behavior of Kenny Noe, Barry Schwartz or Terry Meycocks nothing they did would have brought the wrath of the Avenging AG Eliot Spitzer upon them were he not running for governor. NYRA became a very easy target for everyone to pile on. Charlie Hayward and Steve Duncker have done a tremendous job righting the ship.

As for being bankruptcy....Steve points out that that was engineered by NYRA to bring about a quick ruling on the land ownership issue. It is my opinion that if they did not do this the political wrangling would still be going on. Also mention that the Lottery Divisions refusal to sign off on the VLTs caused a tremendous financial hardship on NYRA.

While I'm venting I'd like to mention that Jeff Perle and Richard Bomze make me want to puke. They are both one very unfunny joke that "represents" NY horsemen. hahaha

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by theiman

The title of this topic is: Lies & Lying Liars that tell them

Please explain to me what was the lie that Mr. Goodell stated in your first post.

Also joining in on the frivolity, Andrew Goodell of Capital Play:

Andrew Goodell of Capital Play, another of the companies bidding and one of whose partners helps run the Melbourne Cup, disagreed. "The difference between us and NYRA is our attendance numbers go up and theirs go down. Our revenue has doubled in the last five years, while NYRA has gone into bankruptcy," he said.


I cant argue with you on Mr. Perle's statement.

Actually you are incorrect - his statement is a lie..since NYRA is not part of the NYS Government then it makes the whole statement an un-truth and therefore a lie...

As an example..if I said a did not sleep with your wife - yet I had- but I did not sleep..that would still be a lie...get it now?

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Actually you are incorrect - his statement is a lie..since NYRA is not part of the NYS Government then it makes the whole statement an un-truth and therefore a lie...

As an example..if I said a did not sleep with your wife - yet I had- but I did not sleep..that would still be a lie...get it now?

I did not have sex with that woman!!

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I do have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise and I make no apologies about doing so.. In addition, I don't want take out increased as Capital Play and Empire BOTH outlined in their proposals to the state as part of their 'innovative' approaches.

And as a side note, until some else pays the bills at this website, I'll cheerlead all I want..

[KY_Sasquash]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I do have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise and I make no apologies about doing so.. In addition, I don't want take out increased as Capital Play and Empire BOTH outlined in their proposals to the state as part of their 'innovative' approaches.

And as a side note, until some else pays the bills at this website, I'll cheerlead all I want..

"Im finishing my coffee"-Walter Sojak

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

Sounds like the original poster has some connections to NYRA?

Defend them all you want but the facts are that NYRA went bankrupt and NYRA has been indicted.

As a writer, which you are, you need to learn how to read words correctly.

Perhaps you should take out a dictionary and learn the meaning of the words WERE and WENT.

Pretty sloppy calling somebody a Liar when what they are stating is 100% factually correct. The only error is saying that NYRA is part of the government. And that isn't lying, that is just incompetence. So maybe he doesn't qualify to be running racing in NY, but his incompetence does make me think he would make a good member of the NYRA gate crew. LOL

Please stick to facts and stop with the cheerleading.

Perhaps you have an interest in seeing NYRA keep the franchise?

i have no ties to NYRA but as i stated i agree with him on the original post. please tell me what circuit offers better racing consistantly through the year. answer: none. the only time racing is inferior up here is the dead of winter. thats because all the major players go south to gulfstream. people with money don't like cold weather. if it were not for that fact magna would probably have gulfstream park for sale too! as for the bankrupcy, its being fixed . it was a poor business model that needed updating. NYRA in the summer is a boom to my city and all of upstate. Face it folks their superior product brings alot $$$$ to new york , forget NYRA's bottom line. which is the part i like anyway. They don't need to be in it for a ton of profit. If you don't like paying 3 bucks to get in, 5 on travers day, low take outs and the fastest horses in the world. Go ahead see how fast one these other operations screw it up for the average bettor. Australian racing ...lol.. i've watched it . looks like they're running in a backyard pasture. when they can beat the likes of Invasor or Rags to Riches maybe i'll listen to them.

[theiman]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i have no ties to NYRA but as i stated i agree with him on the original post. please tell me what circuit offers better racing consistantly through the year. answer: none. the only time racing is inferior up here is the dead of winter. thats because all the major players go south to gulfstream. people with money don't like cold weather. if it were not for that fact magna would probably have gulfstream park for sale too! as for the bankrupcy, its being fixed . it was a poor business model that needed updating. NYRA in the summer is a boom to my city and all of upstate. Face it folks their superior product brings alot $$$$ to new york , forget NYRA's bottom line. which is the part i like anyway. They don't need to be in it for a ton of profit. If you don't like paying 3 bucks to get in, 5 on travers day, low take outs and the fastest horses in the world. Go ahead see how fast one these other operations screw it up for the average bettor. Australian racing ...lol.. i've watched it . looks like they're running in a backyard pasture. when they can beat the likes of Invasor or Rags to Riches maybe i'll listen to them.

Big A runs for 6.5 months a year and that is inferior alone, not just dead of winter. Big A has about 2 races that anyone else other than regulars in NY watch and those are the Cigar Mile and the Wood.

As for Australia, Invasor might have done well there, but RTR would have been blown away, IMO.

Neither of the horses you mentioned could have beaten Makybe Diva at any distance. Within a span of 2 months she won from 7F to 2 miles, and won 2 races in between that, any she didnt get to race against tiny fields either.

The races you must have seen from Australia were Prov. tracks, mid week, similar to TDN or TurP here.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by theiman

Big A runs for 6.5 months a year and that is inferior alone, not just dead of winter. Big A has about 2 races that anyone else other than regulars in NY watch and those are the Cigar Mile and the Wood.

As for Australia, Invasor might have done well there, but RTR would have been blown away, IMO.

Neither of the horses you mentioned could have beaten Makybe Diva at any distance. Within a span of 2 months she won from 7F to 2 miles, and won 2 races in between that, any she didnt get to race against tiny fields either.

The races you must have seen from Australia were Prov. tracks, mid week, similar to TDN or TurP here.

aqueduct is not that bad. especially that time of the year. look at california, their racing is going downhill, small fields, and horses that are not competeing well at the top level. Student council can go there and win grade 1. and the 3 yo's were crap again this year.. other than Rags to riches who crushed the california circuit before heading east. that brings me to the poly track which at keenland and del mar is a farce. those meets are pretty much ruined except for grass . so watch ny get even better horses. you are right i was watching mid week so i don't know much about their racing. but in international competition they don't win much. where on the dirt surface we pretty much "clean house ". so you really don't know how fast they are against top comp. i could care less about how many different distances you win at if the horse is good and is running against inferior horses of course that horse will win everthing. how many dirt races have they won at dubai. where we come in 1st , 2nd and 3rd in many . i don't see the shieks buying some australian horse to try and win the sprint race they went right for Diabolical. any one that thinks our dirt horses don't dominate is crazy