If Beyer writes a new book on synthetic surfaces.....

[Riot]

I'm not saying tracks like Dmr or AP are lying, but of people I talk to, nobody is increasing their handle on these tracks.

All from The Blood-Horse:

" ... Del Mar shows a 3.1% gain in its on-track handle ... Overall handle figures are even stronger, reflecting a 5.8% increase. The daily all-source handle jumped from $12,295,760 to $13,009,606."

" Keeneland ... total wagering to a record $158,368,308 during Keeneland’s 2007 spring race meeting .... The all-sources handle figure ... a more than 10% increase over the previous record of $143,479,802 set last spring.
Total wagering averaged a record $10,557,887 per day, breaking last year’s record of $9,565,320. Field size averaged 9.5 horses this spring versus 8.09 . Polytrack races also averaged 9.5 starters per race, up 21.4% from last spring. Keeneland realized substantial increases in interstate commingled wagering, which rose 14% to $125,952,284 compared to last year’s record of $110,401,486. Average daily interstate handle of $8,396,819 also topped 2006’s record level of $7,360,099. "

" After completing its second holiday meet run over a Polytrack surface in 2006, Turfway Park reported a healthy 7.5% increase in on-track wagering and an 18.7% jump in all-source handle. During the 25-day stand (Nov. 26-Dec. 31) the amount wagered on Turfway races by patrons at the track totaled $3,479,946. Handle on Turfway races from all sources reached $88,224,228. It was the fourth consecutive end-of-meet reporting period for the Florence, Ky., track to show increases in both categories and double-digit hikes in all-sources handle. The holiday meet is the last of Turfway's three annual stands. Taking all three meets together, Turfway enjoyed double-digit increases in both on-track and all-sources handle in 2006. On-track handle for the year rose 13.5% over 2005 to $15,558,289, while all-sources wagering rose 41.3% to $345,128,726. Total purses paid in 2006 increased 5.5% to $16,368,342. Field size across the year held steady at 8.8 starters per race. "

"Woodbine's all-source handle fell 8.6% in 2006, but a rebound in wagering and field size after installation of an all-weather main track has officials for the Woodbine Entertainment Group looking forward to next year. An "all-sources" total of $333,489,534 was wagered during the 162-day meet, which began April 1 and ended Dec. 10, compared to the $364,750,930 recorded in 2005. "We had a slow start to the year, but after Polytrack was installed we really noticed an improvement in our key numbers like handle and field size," said Sean Pinsonneault, Woodbine Entertainment's vice president of wagering services. "We have some momentum going into 2007." Woodbine became the first track in Canada and second in North America to install Polytrack, a synthetic racing surface which provides a soft cushion for horse and rider. Racing over Polytrack was presented for the first time on Aug. 30. To accommodate the conversion of the main track to Polytrack, Thoroughbred racing was conducted over a dirt-covered Standardbred racing oval for 29 dates, from July 8 to Aug. 27. Total handle after the Polytrack installation was a strong $157,445,000, compared to $151,152,000 in 2005, an increase of 4.2%. Average field size at Woodbine was 8.6 horses per race this year, up from 8.5 in 2005. During the Polytrack portion of the meet, 9.2 horses were carded per race, compared to 8.5 last year, an increase of 8.2%."

"The Ocala Breeders’ Sales Company (OBS) Friday announced that it is converting its one-mile racetrack to an all-weather SAFETRACK surface. Manufactured by Andrews Bowen, Ltd., the new surface will be ready for the 2008 juvenile selling season. OBS conducts four sales of 2-year-olds in training each year in Central Florida, with select sales in February and March and open sales in April and June. The track is also utilized for most of the rest of the year as a public training center, with many of the area’s horsemen taking advantage of the facility. And there is one day of racing in February. Keeneland, which has Polytrack, earlier this year became the first auction firm in North America to conduct workouts for a sale of 2-year-olds in training over a synthetic surface. OBS will be the second. "

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Saratoga's handle gains have been stronger than Del Mar's....

And, no one cares about five furlong track records. I'm surprised you forgot to tout that multiple horses have ran a quarter mile in a world record 20 1/5th over polytrack...which happened at KEE April last year.

Polytrack is a faster surface than dirt if you just want to sprint all-out for very short distances.

However, horses can't stay a distance on it without jogging away the early stages and struggling through the late stages.

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

However, horses can't stay a distance on it without jogging away the early stages and struggling through the late stages.

What about horses running 2:01 for 10 furlongs on Polytrack in England?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

It's not so much the comically slow times as it is watching horses struggle with an absurd surface that makes the races look dull and boring.

Because some Euro ran a track record 2:01 and change doesn't mean he'd have won this year's Pacific Classic by six seconds -- or about a 33 length margin that the time difference indicates.

If they are going to run on that stuff -- they should make the sprint races two or three furlongs....the middle distance races about 5 furlongs tops...and the classic distance races about 7 furlongs. If they do that, I have no problem with the surface....other than I think it's bad for history to dramatically shorten up the distances of all the major prestige races....just to make them watchable.

Toss in an occasional 8.5 furlong marathon from time-to-time.

Having to watch horses race 10 furlongs over a poly surface like the one Del Mar has was cruel and unusual punishment.

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I think the problem is more the way the tracks are being prepared in the US.

2:01 isn't a track record on Polytrack in Europe - it's pretty much the standard time.

[MisterB]

Euro racing without leaving the States

[pba1817]

I am not sure why everyone is so pissed about Polytrack.

Did the people who sold the industry on Poly lie about it never needing to be adjusted or maintained? Yes, but I do not know too many salesman that dont lie to make a sale, do you?

Is it safe? overwhelmingly it has been at Del Mar.

Are the field sizes larger? yes.

Are the slow fractional and final times hard to swallow, yes, but I don't care how slow they go if I have the correct numbers on my ticket, I am happy!!

I enjoy the fact that the big black bold number(Beyer) in the Daily Racing Form is not the gospel any longer, it actually has made handicapping fun again for me.

I can only watch so many main track 3-5 shots at Monmouth, Saratoga, and Calder... give me some VALUE!!!

Is handicapping harder, Yes!!(especially if you are a buyer into the Beyer speed figures) And with that, we are seeing a lot better payouts. Personally, I would rather struggle to hit just a couple tickets a day and walk away big in the black that what it used to be, hit numerous tickets and barely be even, or even a loser.

I am not claiming to be an expert/professional handicapper, anyone who does is a liar IMO. Not one person can simply bet horses for a living and survive in the long run. They either have a supplemental source of income, made money elsewhere before getting into betting, received an inheritance, or are living off of someone else.

I play roughly 30 races a week. For the most part, my betting strategy is worse than my handicapping, I think we all suffer from that problem.