Rags to Riches considered possible (barely) for travers

[gamblin4ever]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Exactly how much of a fine would be a deterent?
Do you know how easy it is to come up with a valid excuse?

Not sure on amt. of the fine and valid excuse should be backed up by a vet or steward.

Not trying to change the industry, just tired of seeing trainers scratch horses b/c of weights,post,pace,etc.

If you don't have deterrents in place, trainers like Frankel will enter and then scratch b/c his horse is giving up too much weight. (just an example)
That way we don't end up w/ Graded Stakes w/ 5 horse fields, due to scratches.

I guess i'm just venting frustration..sorry

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

Not sure on amt. of the fine and valid excuse should be backed up by a vet or steward.

Not trying to change the industry, just tired of seeing trainers scratch horses b/c of weights,post,pace,etc.

If you don't have deterrents in place, trainers like Frankel will enter and then scratch b/c his horse is giving up too much weight. (just an example)
That way we don't end up w/ Graded Stakes w/ 5 horse fields, due to scratches.

I guess i'm just venting frustration..sorry

No reason to be sorry. But a $250 fine won't keep a guy from scratching especially out of a stake. You do forfeit your entry fee when you scratch out of a stake without a valid medical reason though and those are in the thousands sometimes. Of course it comes out of the owners account not the trainer.

[gamblin4ever]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No reason to be sorry. But a $250 fine won't keep a guy from scratching especially out of a stake. You do forfeit your entry fee when you scratch out of a stake without a valid medical reason though and those are in the thousands sometimes. Of course it comes out of the owners account not the trainer.

True, how about too many scratches = automatic suspension, say 2 weeks, wouldn.t that be a laugh

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

True, how about too many scratches = automatic suspension, say 2 weeks, wouldn.t that be a laugh

You would have a lot more horses developing temperatures

[Danzig]

with the increases in handle, the money from slots...why aren't the top purses rising?
two networks that didn't exist a few years ago....coverage (albeit sporadic) on espn, etc....

so why don't the top purses go up? there have been across the board increases, yet the tops don't move an inch.

is it that the other races are the ones that sustain much of the industry?

there needs to be an incentive to run the best vs the best. trick is finding that incentive, and being able to afford it.

how valuable are eclipse awards to a horses future earnings in the shed? what if it was on a points system, rather than a vote? then those who dance the dances get rewarded, rather than a few that get votes based on name recognition.

[gamblin4ever]

Originally Posted by Danzig

with the increases in handle, the money from slots...why aren't the top purses rising?
two networks that didn't exist a few years ago....coverage (albeit sporadic) on espn, etc....

so why don't the top purses go up? there have been across the board increases, yet the tops don't move an inch.

is it that the other races are the ones that sustain much of the industry?

there needs to be an incentive to run the best vs the best. trick is finding that incentive, and being able to afford it.

how valuable are eclipse awards to a horses future earnings in the shed? what if it was on a points system, rather than a vote? then those who dance the dances get rewarded, rather than a few that get votes based on name recognition.

true, there needs to be a system where you race for points to win awards not name recognition. I also believe the breeders talk about the sire's awards when trying to book mares, Like Tiznow uses twice BC Classic winner, and if any of their previous babies have done good they mention that also

[gamblin4ever]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You would have a lot more horses developing temperatures

conversation between Frankel and Stewards

BF: Yes this Bobby Frankel i need to scratch my horse from the race as i've started running a temp. I mean my horse has started running a temp.
ST: Very well Mr. Frankel make sure your horse brings in a doctors note.

[Sightseek]

In other Travers news, Tiz Wonderful is out.

[letswastemoney]

From a betting standpoint, I'd love to see Rags in the Travers, as it would ease the odds just slightly on Street Sense.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

From a betting standpoint, I'd love to see Rags in the Travers, as it would ease the odds just slightly on Street Sense.

I think Rags will give Street Sense more than he could handle in the race if she goes. It won't be CP West out there for Street Sense to stagger by this time. I'd never take 2/1 or 5/2 on a filly in an open race but I'd also never bet Street Sense at 7/5 against her either.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

In other Travers news, Tiz Wonderful is out.

No shock there. When you go from In to possible to "we'll have a conference call to decide" that usually means OUT. I wonder what happened, not trainwell or mayber looking at The PA Derby as an easier spot to win

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by boswd

No shock there. When you go from In to possible to "we'll have a conference call to decide" that usually means OUT. I wonder what happened, not trainwell or mayber looking at The PA Derby as an easier spot to win

Get ready for a cheap shot


The horse is not a 2 year old anymore. He's done.