Irish Racing

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by scanman

Thanks. Been planning this one for about two years.

Let me know how you like it. I've been looking at the "horseracing" vacations in Europe and Australia.

[scanman]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

Let me know how you like it. I've been looking at the "horseracing" vacations in Europe and Australia.

Will do. In 2005 (our winter, their summer), I did 15 racecourses in 15 days in New South Wales, Australia. I can PM the itinerary if you like.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by scanman

Will do. In 2005 (our winter, their summer), I did 15 racecourses in 15 days in New South Wales, Australia. I can PM the itinerary if you like.

I'd love it! Thanks!

[scanman]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

I'd love it! Thanks!

Riley,

Sorry, I just ran out of time. I will get it to you when I return.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by scanman

Riley,

Sorry, I just ran out of time. I will get it to you when I return.

No problem.

[brockguy]

Mightnt be much Aussie Racing for me now. All racing cancelled for the next few days at least, it could get even worse. Its headline news over here and they are saying that it could postpone the Melbourne Cup and Spring Carnival if it doesnt get any better!!

[brockguy]

I think the Derby is the only time they segregate the Curragh, every other time, you can go anywhere. It can be a depressing place on a cold wet and usually windy day.


by the way,what NoChance was alluding to, handicap races in ireland are a bit of a mish mosh as some horses have absolutely zero form but are obviously laid out for a certain race and their odds reflect that. A J Martin and to a lesser extent Christy Roche are notorious for it. Its the real gangster part of the game here and its basically cheating but no-one really moans as they feel that the lads have performed a good old fashioned coup against the bad bookies.

[scanman]

Originally Posted by brockguy

I think the Derby is the only time they segregate the Curragh, every other time, you can go anywhere. It can be a depressing place on a cold wet and usually windy day.


by the way,what NoChance was alluding to, handicap races in ireland are a bit of a mish mosh as some horses have absolutely zero form but are obviously laid out for a certain race and their odds reflect that. A J Martin and to a lesser extent Christy Roche are notorious for it. Its the real gangster part of the game here and its basically cheating but no-one really moans as they feel that the lads have performed a good old fashioned coup against the bad bookies.

Okay, good to know, will definitely keep an eye out. Though, what type of market move would indicate that they have a "live" horse in?

[viscount26]

Originally Posted by scanman

Okay, good to know, will definitely keep an eye out. Though, what type of market move would indicate that they have a "live" horse in?

Watch the bookmakers boards. If you see movement on a certain horse, move quickly down the line, and see if someone is slow to change their boards. It worked for me at Ascot in the 90's. I saw a little old Irish Guy, put a 200 pound bet on a 40'1 shot in the 2mile Ascot Cup. The 5 bookies close by, all cut their price to 25/1. I hooved it about 50 feet down the rail and found a bookie who still had it at 40's Got the price and the horse won by 6 lengths

[scanman]

Originally Posted by viscount26

Watch the bookmakers boards. If you see movement on a certain horse, move quickly down the line, and see if someone is slow to change their boards. It worked for me at Ascot in the 90's. I saw a little old Irish Guy, put a 200 pound bet on a 40'1 shot in the 2mile Ascot Cup. The 5 bookies close by, all cut their price to 25/1. I hooved it about 50 feet down the rail and found a bookie who still had it at 40's Got the price and the horse won by 6 lengths

Yeah, that's one of the beauties of Irish/British racing, the opportunity to shop for odds.

Thanks, but I was trying to get a better indication of these two trainers, if there is a trend.

[viscount26]

Originally Posted by scanman

Yeah, that's one of the beauties of Irish/British racing, the opportunity to shop for odds.

Thanks, but I was trying to get a better indication of these two trainers, if there is a trend.

No problem. I'll leave this one for the Irish Boys. Your'e up Brockman

[scanman]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I'll resend my PM to you about the Curragh if you'd like. As I wrote previously, I would have to see the Curragh on a non-Irish Derby Day to get a genuine sense of the place.

If the Champagne Bar is open on the "Clubhouse" side, try there for a refreshment.

The betting ring separates the Clubhouse from the Grandstand. You'll find what you're looking for there.

Thanks. I still have your PM as a reference. Hopefully, the weather will be a little better for my day.