Arlignton Poly

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

All i can say is that i'm shocked. I'm sick and tired of saying it, but if the track wants a speed bias, they can prepare the Poly to give a speed bias. The fact that the speed is suffering on the Poly suggests two things: 1. The tracks don't want the surface to favour speed 2. The tracks cannot prepare the surface properly to know what is going to happen with the races.

Over here before each race day the clerk of the course will usually give his/her idea on how the track will ride and whether it is likely to suit the speed or closers. With such changeable weather that we suffer in England, the track has to be prepared differently and that changes what horses that it favours.

Who is the person that is in charge of the surface at the track (i.e. what is his/her title). They should be the ones that should be able to tell the betting public what the track will be riding like. They are obviously not doing it though.

From what i have read on different threads so far, you American's are very hard to please. You seem to want the moon but aren't preapred to go and get it yourself.

Duscuss the problems that you are having with the tracks, speak to the person/persons in charge of the surface and ask what it is going to be riding like.

One question. How long has the surface been installed at Del Mar? Don't forget that Poly does take a while to settle in and become consistant.

you hit on it, its a new surface over here and people don't have sufficient experience with it yet like they do in Europe, and the other key point is its hard to please everyone over here. We excel at whining.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

you hit on it, its a new surface over here and people don't have sufficient experience with it yet like they do in Europe, and the other key point is its hard to please everyone over here. We excel at whining.

The American Airlines commercial that they are showing over here backs you up there. I think it says "we have flown more Americans than any other airline...... and if we can keep them happy.............."

Great commercial.

sorry for going off topic.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

The American Airlines commercial that they are showing over here backs you up there. I think it says "we have flown more Americans than any other airline...... and if we can keep them happy.............."

Great commercial.

sorry for going off topic.

Let me ask you this, when it first started over there, were people bitching up a storm?

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by Scav

Let me ask you this, when it first started over there, were people bitching up a storm?

No, and i'm being honest there.

I remember they had a trial raceday where they invited all of the trainers that trained within about 3hours of Lingfield to have at least one runner in the eight (i think) races that they put on.

I didn't go, but my father took a couple of horses there and he said it seemed "magic". The jocks loved it and so did the trainers. Ofcourse, a few of the big trainers didn't like it at first but it didn't take many months for them to be running their horses on the surface.

I know our races aren't all to do with speed unlike yours, but what i have seen from both Lingfield and Wolverhampton (Wolverhampton especially), the Poly can and does favour the horses on the speed now and again. If your tracks can get it right, which takes time, i'm sure the speed can be favoured on the surface.

Wolverhampton is more like an American track, Lingfield has a much longer straight (stretch) so it gives more time for horses that are closing off a strong pace.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

you hit on it, its a new surface over here and people don't have sufficient experience with it yet like they do in Europe, and the other key point is its hard to please everyone over here. We excel at whining.

Unfortunately, as patriotic as I am, that's true, indeed.

What is interesting to me is how the complaints about each track (or lack of them) vary by location. California seems to have more complaints than anybody, including Turfway (who suffered an extremely hard winter this last season) - Arlington virtually no complaints, and the temps this summer are much hotter and more humid than at Del Mar.

I don't know if that can be attributed to the individualization in the composition of the installations at these different tracks, or not.

Keeneland has their Poly fast enough to keep impressing buyers at the 2-year-old sales.