Prix Jacques Le Marois

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

It wasn't a fluke.

Well, we won't really know that until after this race. I was a much improved effort than many of his previous efforts. He was beaten out of sight almost by Manduro on his previous start, and then you have to go a long way back to his Prix Jean Prat victory to find his next best form.

It was certainly a big surprise to see him so close at Royal Ascot.

If that wasn't a fluke, he should hit the board in my opinion, but i cannot see him beating Manduro

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Well, we won't really know that until after this race. I was a much improved effort than many of his previous efforts. He was beaten out of sight almost by Manduro on his previous start, and then you have to go a long way back to his Prix Jean Prat victory to find his next best form.

It was certainly a big surprise to see him so close at Royal Ascot.

If that wasn't a fluke, he should hit the board in my opinion, but i cannot see him beating Manduro

I don't have to go a long way back..... his run at Ascot aside, he's been first or 2nd in his last 8 starts.

He's a damned good and constantly overlooked horse and i hope he destroys the field and the others hear your "whooosh".

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I don't have to go a long way back..... his run at Ascot aside, he's been first or 2nd in his last 8 starts.

He's a damned good and constantly overlooked horse and i hope he destroys the field and the others hear your "whooosh".

Yes, he has finished 1st or second, but in MUCH weaker races. Have you even looked at the form or just the figures by his name?

After his Prix Jean Prat win he finished a long way behind Laverock in another group one, and that is hardly form to suggest he will be winning this. After that he dropped to Gr3 company, and he was only second, he was then dropped further in grade, down to listed level and was beaten again at Evens.

Then he ran in two dreadful races worth only £9,000 together! He won them both, which he should have done.

He then went onto finish second behind Racinger (who he then beat at Ascot), and Racinger has been fairly disappointing in his two starts in England.

Turtle Bowl then was blown away by Manduro (getting beaten 5 lengths) on his last start before showing a HUGE improvement at Royal Ascot, which at the moment does look to be a fluke.

This the Racing Post Analysis of the race of Turtle Bowl after Manduro beat him:

"Turtle Bowl had won another weak Group 1 and his form had been of a much lesser level on softer ground this season. He moved up to track the winner into the straight but could not live with him in the closing stages and just what he achieved in holding off the disappointing Stormy River for second is questionable."



Sure, Turtle Bowl is a consistant horse, and with only six runners in the race on Sunday i expect him to hit the board again, but i wouldn't say he was "constantly overlooked". He just isn't up to good gr1 standard. He is consistant at a lower level of racing.

If Manduro doesn't run to his ability for whatever reason, Turtle Bowl may well pick up the pieces, but i cannot see him beating Manduro.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

If Manduro doesn't run to his ability for whatever reason, Turtle Bowl may well pick up the pieces, but i cannot see him beating Manduro.

Way to cover your ass. If he wins you told us so, if he loses then you've already built in the excuse that he didn't run to his ability.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Way to cover your ass. If he wins you told us so, if he loses then you've already built in the excuse that he didn't run to his ability.

It's the same with any race. Horses are not machines, they all have 'off' days. He really should win and win well.

I'm not saying that will be the excuse, but in my eyes the only way i can see him beaten is if he has an 'off' day. If he gets beaten a nose or something like that, then he will probably have been beaten by a better horse on the day.

No one can doubt that fact that he is the best horse in the race BY FAR. On ratings he is the best horse on turf in the world.

[NoChanceToDance]

Even if he runs 5lbs below his best, he should still win.

He will have to run a LONG way below his ability to get beaten. There, is that better??????

Probably not.

[NoChanceToDance]

The race should revolve around Manduro, Lawman and Turtle Bowl. All three seem to like good ground rather than soft, so they should have their ground conditions. Turtle Bowl and Lawman are probably better milers than Manduro, but he should have too many guns for both of them, especially with a pacemaker making sure they go a good gallop.

[Sightseek]

Is Manduro still BCC bound?

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Is Manduro still BCC bound?

I'm not sure. They are keeping their cards very close to their chest. I'm not sure how he will handle the dirt, but that is the same for all of our top horses. I think they should at least give it a try.

I'd prefer that they didn't run him in the Arc because the combination of soft ground and 12 furlongs will probably be too much for him.

[gallant bloom]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Way to cover your ass. If he wins you told us so, if he loses then you've already built in the excuse that he didn't run to his ability.

i think nc2d
went to the
king glorious
school of
covering himself.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by gallant bloom

i think nc2d
went to the
king glorious
school of
covering himself.

Best god damned school in the world, you should check it out

[brockguy]

Coral bookmakers have him listed at 50-1 to win on sunday and follow up by winning the Arc and BCC..

Anyway, I think they are pointing him towards the Arc and will decide after if he can take the BCC. AT least he is in the right hands. Fabre knows what it takes. I believe that you need a tough horse to take to dirt and Manduro certainly has that profile despite his breeding (well not too many Monsuns have tried dirt Im sure!). He should win on Sunday with the aid of a pacemaker. He's much better than last year!!