Godolphin/Darley article

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I don't have time to address all of your very good points right now.... so you know though you do make some excellent points.

Sorry for being scattered but a few things.....

No, I don't take it as a dig at all.

The part about blaming the sellers (... and you're right. Much as i'd like to think I wouldn't sell the reality is that I'm sure i would)... what i meant was that they're slammed over and over for their purchases while the sellers have some kinda immunity.

The Geezer (I still don't understand why they bought him but i do like him very much) and Hinterland... why would you say they're ruined?

Short version is this... I have absolutely no problem with your post. Clearly you know much more than I as you've followed this your whole life and I'm just a Smarty-era inductee.

What i defend is their right to do what they choose with their horses. It's that simple.

If a writer is penning a piece and they choose not to play along and answer questions I hold no grudge, especially after some of the nasty things written about them in the American press.

You know for a fact I'm a big fan of AOB and I'm sick to death of the mentality that it's either / or... do you get what i'm saying?

You and most here or all here thought it was a good piece.

I thought it was propaganda.

No big deal... all opinions are valid, right?

One last thing..... I remember how slow they were to release the Blues and Royals news but they've been up front since then, haven't they?

Again, sorry for being scattered..... just short of time.

I don't see how anyone could have a dig at the sellers though. Half of these horse are not for sale, but they offers too good to refuse. I would prefer them to be more sttubborn, and not sell no matter what the offer was.... and in the long run, i think it would help Godolphin if the "opposition" just said NO. If you had a horse that you knew was okay but not top notch (e.g. The Geezer and Opera Cape) and someone came and offered £2million to take them off your hands (i think Opera cape was injured at the time) you would think it was your lucky day, but in reality, that's what happened.

The horses i listed, including Hinterland looked like nice horses before they went to Godolphin, but what happened after then? Nothing. Over night they lost all their ability? or Godolphin just can't train very well at all. They are the only two options. Same with short skirt and Silca's Sister, the later was a very good filly. She is now injured (what a surprise and is doubtful to run again). Vista Bella finished 3rd in the 1,000 guineas as a three year old. She was packed off to Godolphin and within THREE (yes, three) months she was seriously injured and has since shown nothing on the track.

I wouldn't mind, but this happens so much, same happened with Imperial Stride, Narivk, Winged Cupid etc etc.

The reason you ask? They train the horses too hard. They gallop the cr*p out of them, and they think that is how to train a racehorse.

Go to the races in England and you will never see an unfit Godolphin horse, they will always look as fit as a flea because they have been galloped sensless. Yes, it gets them fit, but a horse CANNOT be trained like that. They do the same with their 2yo's as well, which is why it is very rare to see a Godolphin 2yo show the same sort of form at 3.

David Loder quit training the Godolphin 2yo's because he was sick that he was being told they "had to win first time out" which meant galloping these poor 2yo's into the ground time after time. It was disgusting to hear of the break downs that they suffered, but they didn't care because they would just go and buy one to replace it.

People have tried to change their ways, but if anyone trys to change them, they have a letter of resignation through the post for them to sign the very next day and a letter of confidentiality....... i wonder why!

Put it this way, the news about Electrocusionist wasn't what you would call prompt

You defend what they do with their horses? You defend the non stop galloping, you defend all of the injuries (most of which could be stopped), you defend the arrogance? That doesn't seem like you at all.

As i said, come to Newmarket for a week and speak to the people in the know. I will introduce you to some people and i'm pretty sure you would leave very upset and angry.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

You defend the non stop galloping, you defend all of the injuries (most of which could be stopped), .

Again, I apologize as all I have time for is a quick break but i have to comment on this.....

This offends me.

The sad Electrocutionist news was released the morning it happened, I don't believe everything i hear / read in print / read online. Not saying you're wrong, only that i don't know if what you say is true just as i don't know if what they say is true.

This though..... I lost my thoughts when i read this line.

If i didn't know you a bit I'd say how the **** dare you.

Since i do know you somewhat, I'll just say I'm surprised that you'd post such a thing. I'd say I'm hurt by it but i don't want to play the role of drama queen.

Surprised. I'll leave it at that.

[NoChanceToDance]

Well, this is your quote......

"What i defend is their right to do what they choose with their horses. It's that simple"


You said you defend their right to do what they choose with their horses. They choose to gallop them into the ground and cause injuries to many different horses, horses that could have gone places and won big races if they had stayed with their previous trainer.

I'm sorry if i have misread what your quote was meant to establish, but to me you are saying you defend what they do?????

I was shocked when i reas that post, because i know that isn't like you at all. You know as well as me Godolphin have so many injuries and it happens every year.

The Electrocusionist thing......... well, if you say so. Remember where my father works?

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

You said you defend their right to do what they choose with their horses. They choose to gallop them into the ground and cause injuries to many different horses

Jesus you know damned well that's not what i mean.

Nice. I'm criticized for the angels thread, accused of being overly morbid when all I'm trying to do is show some respect and now I'm accused of the opposite?

I understand who you Dad is and that you know more than I BUT please understand..... what you're saying is, to me, hearsay. Rumor, accusation..... I've said before i don't believe everything i read ANYWHERE.

I support their right to buy whichever horses they choose. I love many of their horses, I respect the way they pour money into international racing and promote the sport. What's wrong with that and why are you twisting my words and accusing me of supporting any kind of injury to any horses?????

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Jesus you know damned well that's not what i mean.

Nice. I'm criticized for the angels thread, accused of being overly morbid when all I'm trying to do is show some respect and now I'm accused of the opposite?

I understand who you Dad is and that you know more than I BUT please understand..... what you're saying is, to me, hearsay. Rumor, accusation..... I've said before i don't believe everything i read ANYWHERE.

I support their right to buy whichever horses they choose. I love many of their horses, I respect the way they pour money into international racing and promote the sport. What's wrong with that and why are you twisting my words and accusing me of supporting any kind of injury to any horses?????

Indeed it is...everyone has an agenda.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Jesus you know damned well that's not what i mean.

Nice. I'm criticized for the angels thread, accused of being overly morbid when all I'm trying to do is show some respect and now I'm accused of the opposite?

I understand who you Dad is and that you know more than I BUT please understand..... what you're saying is, to me, hearsay. Rumor, accusation..... I've said before i don't believe everything i read ANYWHERE.

I support their right to buy whichever horses they choose. I love many of their horses, I respect the way they pour money into international racing and promote the sport. What's wrong with that and why are you twisting my words and accusing me of supporting any kind of injury to any horses?????

Could you tell me where they actuaslly pour money into racing besides the UAE?

They do not promote the sport anymore than any racing/stud organisation.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Put it this way, the news about Electrocusionist wasn't what you would call prompt

Not to start this up or anything (and there have been a few posts, like on the Jealous Again thread.... I just let them go cause there's no need to fight when it's just a difference of opinion) but did you see this?

http://www.godolphin.com/NewsArticle.aspx?id=4472

This was on their site the following day.

When I asked about Formal Decree, I got an answer immediately.

I'm just pointing out that I think they're very free and open with information. They don't need to be but they are.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Not to start this up or anything (and there have been a few posts, like on the Jealous Again thread.... I just let them go cause there's no need to fight when it's just a difference of opinion) but did you see this?

http://www.godolphin.com/NewsArticle.aspx?id=4472

This was on their site the following day.

When I asked about Formal Decree, I got an answer immediately.

I'm just pointing out that I think they're very free and open with information. They don't need to be but they are.

That's one case.

What about Rio De La Plata.......... they've never mentioned anything about him and (although I don't know for sure) I'm not sure if he's even alive anymore

I don't want to fight or argue, but if you knew just how many horses are destroyed each year at either godolphin or darley pre training, you would be shocked and devistated. Horses we don't even know existed, horses that are purchased for hundreds of thousands as yearlings that never make the track.

I know of four within the last two months, all from Darley pre training.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

That's one case.

What about Rio De La Plata.......... they've never mentioned anything about him and (although I don't know for sure) I'm not sure if he's even alive anymore

I don't want to fight or argue, but if you knew just how many horses are destroyed each year at either godolphin or darley pre training, you would be shocked and devistated. Horses we don't even know existed, horses that are purchased for hundreds of thousands as yearlings that never make the track.

I know of four within the last two months, all from Darley pre training.

Well he's listed as being in training on their site anyway.

The four you mention... who were they?

As far as the rest of your post come on... this is their passion. They don't sit down and think of which horses they can "ruin".

Again, not trying to fight here.

[my miss storm cat]

I emailed Godolphin yesterday evening about Rio.....

Got an answer (4:41 am my time - how's that for fast?)... they're planning on running him around the end of August / beginning of September.

See my point?

[NoChanceToDance]

Well, that is good news, but why can't they be more open and explain that, write it in the press. They are losing fans hand over fist.

Also, it was reported on thursday that Fly Cloud had come out of her race at Ascot very lame. Why was it reported that she was lame a whole week after the race? I can tell you why....... because she got lame after they worked her!

I do not know the names, some of the pre training lot are not even named yet. I think they were all two year olds.

You mention their passion? What passion. They don't care anymore. They don't seem bothered. They are still using their scattergun approach at buying anything and everything. Looks at Donativum, a brilliant 2yo, has since gone to Godolphin and looks a shadow of his former self. There are so many of them.

What don't they realise? Can't they see that they are failing in all areas of the 'business'?

My best friend who used to work there, he's still gutted about Desert Authority who he still says is one of the best horses he's ever ridden. He was unbeaten in two starts and then broken down.

It isn't coincidence that Godolphin suffer more break downs and injuries than any other trainer.

[brockguy]

isnt it odd that they have Fabre training tons of his horses and he decides when they should be sent to Godolphin and Bin Suroor. They should get their top 50 horses, and have Fabre training them, not Bin Suroor. Its so bloody clear, I cant believe nobody has suggested it..

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Well, that is good news, but why can't they be more open and explain that, write it in the press.

I think they are open but come on... they have how many horses?

Can't be expected to write a press release for each one every day.

Be fair.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

You mention their passion? What passion. They don't care anymore. They don't seem bothered. They are still using their scattergun approach at buying anything and everything. Looks at Donativum, a brilliant 2yo, has since gone to Godolphin and looks a shadow of his former self. There are so many of them.

Won today at Deauville...

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse...international/