Lawyer Ron's Time

[Travis Stone]

It is very possible (and likely) that Wanderin Boy ran a new top yesterday because he had everything go his own way on a track which favored his running style.

[31lengths]

Interesting....from the comments of the same article.

Steve Davidowitz says:

After Alan Klayman's report of the race clocking off the ABC Video Tape that he sdubmitted to this blog a few hours ago, I tried to time the race again off the NYRA website and the streaming video quality was poor. Would not trust my own previous clocking off that site. Strongly reitterate suggestion to NYRA to time this race with calibrated timing device off their in-house, real time, video replays). As others have suggested, the NYRA should do this as soon as possible.
Regards/Steve Davidowitz

Posted by: Steve Davidowitz | Jul 29, 2007 12:52:11 PM

[Merlinsky]

*shrugs* The time seems legit to me, every time I look at it and the race. Here's two of the comments from DRF.com's article that, to me, confirm it. (I think there's some sputtering about it being Lawyer Ron who did this performance and it's not really fair. If you go by what you might've thought him capable before his Derby flop, I could see him getting to this point one day. 128 might be crazy but no way is this a 107-110 performance either. His reputation was very what has he done for me lately and he's working his way back. He got a track record and it sure looked like he was turning in one with the way he ran. Sometimes your eyes aren't deceiving you when you look at the final time. Kinda refreshing and the horse should be recognized for that.)

Silver Charm says:

TVG ran a bit of a side-by-side comparison between this Whitney and the one by Left Bank seeming to reasonably confirm the time.

Actually a half in 47.37 for a race that appeared to be speed laden seems more out of whack than three-quarters in 1:10.28.

Once the investigation is completed there will be two groups of people with some explaining to do.

If the time is wrong then NYRA chairman Steve Duncker will need to explain to fans and a National Television audience why the Track Record they were told they had witnessed was bogus.

If the time is correct then the Track Superintendant needs to explain why he and his crew felt compelled to "goose the track" before the Big Race.

Posted by: Silver Charm | Jul 29, 2007 2:14:14 PM

Sal says:

I hand timed the Whitney twice and got the correct final time on each occasion.

I did the same thing in the Go For Wand and also got the correct final time.

In multiple clockings of each race, I came within 0.27 seconds of having every split correct. That tells me the fractional times are accurate as well.

To come away with 1:48 and change clockings, as Mr. Davidowitz did, I believe you have to start timing just after the gates open and before horses reach the finish line.

Basically, getting the final time plus run-up.

Posted by: Sal | Jul 29, 2007 2:25:09 PM

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

*shrugs* The time seems legit to me, every time I look at it and the race. Here's two of the comments from DRF.com's article that, to me, confirm it. (I think there's some sputtering about it being Lawyer Ron who did this performance and it's not really fair. If you go by what you might've thought him capable before his Derby flop, I could see him getting to this point one day. 128 might be crazy but no way is this a 107-110 performance either. His reputation was very what has he done for me lately and he's working his way back. He got a track record and it sure looked like he was turning in one with the way he ran. Sometimes your eyes aren't deceiving you when you look at the final time. Kinda refreshing and the horse should be recognized for that.)

i know the person who posted that on drf, and trust me, he's completely incompetent. i'm surprised he even knows how to turn a computer on, let alone use a stop watch.

[packerbacker7964]

Yeah but the timer doesn't start as soon as the gate opens either. It depends on where they have the starting gate at compared to the first timer on the tracks rail. Great run by The Lawyer but to many other horses would've had to run their personal best on the same day also. Hard yes, impossiable no.

[Left Bank]

Why can't you all just enjoy it and be happy for the horse and his connections?

[2Hot4TV]

Time is only important where you are in jail. Lawyer Ron's win was by daylite over a very good field, now if he can just stay a mile and 1/4.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

Why can't you all just enjoy it and be happy for the horse and his connections?

This is something I've tried to explain to people on the other forum. For some of u, that's how u see it. And that's fine. But for a lot of us that are more analytical, is't not that simple. Not knocking the other forum because it has it's place but on here, there are more serious horse players. And serious horse players want to know more about what really happened and not just the end result. If u don't analyze and try to figure out what really happened, u miss way too much when it comes time to wager on the next race. Nobody here is doubting that Lawyer Ron ran a very good race and it's obvious that whether he actually ran 1:50 or 1:46, he was dominant over the rest of the field. That much is not in question. But as a gambler, if u don't look deeper than the surface, u are cheating yourself.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

Why can't you all just enjoy it and be happy for the horse and his connections?

Ditto that! The rest is blood clot, mon.