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Old 07-28-2007, 06:41 PM
Downthestretch55 Downthestretch55 is offline
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Since King Glorious mentioned a movie, here's one that will be out soon called "War Made Easy".
Both Dems and Repubs are shown to be instigators.
It might be interesting to see reactions (and, since it hasn't been relaeased I haven't seen it).
Expect anything from an administration that put the FBI and other "domestic surveilance agencies" on to the pacifist Quakers (though I'm not one).
"War Made Easy":
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut?bid=7&pid=217698

And, hey Danzig, do you think the perps at Abu Graib acted independently, or might there have been other factors involved, like disregarding Article 3 of the Geneva Accords ( thank Gonzo for that interpretation)?
Weren't some of those found guilty at Nuhremburg also "only following orders"?
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Old 07-28-2007, 07:44 PM
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Since King Glorious mentioned a movie, here's one that will be out soon called "War Made Easy".
Both Dems and Repubs are shown to be instigators.
It might be interesting to see reactions (and, since it hasn't been relaeased I haven't seen it).
Expect anything from an administration that put the FBI and other "domestic surveilance agencies" on to the pacifist Quakers (though I'm not one).
"War Made Easy":
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut?bid=7&pid=217698

And, hey Danzig, do you think the perps at Abu Graib acted independently, or might there have been other factors involved, like disregarding Article 3 of the Geneva Accords ( thank Gonzo for that interpretation)?
Weren't some of those found guilty at Nuhremburg also "only following orders"?
I knew this comparison was coming. The Holocaust with Iraq. Absolutely awful comparison that is shameful to present. As Z said a soldier can refuse unlawful orders. In fact, how are some of these isolated acts even found? By soldiers who knew something was wrong.
Bait taken. And it is really sad that it was.
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Old 07-29-2007, 12:51 PM
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I knew this comparison was coming. The Holocaust with Iraq. Absolutely awful comparison that is shameful to present. As Z said a soldier can refuse unlawful orders. In fact, how are some of these isolated acts even found? By soldiers who knew something was wrong.
Bait taken. And it is really sad that it was.
Pgardn,
You are certainly entitled to your comparison with Vietnam and Iraq. Some see the quagmire and continued wasted lives.
I see it a bit differently.
I note the pardons that were given to the Nazis (can we say Scooter?) or perhaps the complicity of the "main stream media" in the selling of a similar debacle? Hmmm...
Good soldiers are good to the end. Even Himmler had the decency to commit suicide rather than face the blame for his actions. Such is the way of the cowards.
Timeline:
http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/himmler.html
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Old 07-29-2007, 01:09 PM
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Pgardn,
You are certainly entitled to your comparison with Vietnam and Iraq. Some see the quagmire and continued wasted lives.
I see it a bit differently.
I note the pardons that were given to the Nazis (can we say Scooter?) or perhaps the complicity of the "main stream media" in the selling of a similar debacle? Hmmm...
Good soldiers are good to the end. Even Himmler had the decency to commit suicide rather than face the blame for his actions. Such is the way of the cowards.
Timeline:
http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/himmler.html
scooter libby is comparable to a nazi? yet another level-headed post by dts on the ultimate evil, a republican.
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Old 07-29-2007, 01:45 PM
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scooter libby is comparable to a nazi? yet another level-headed post by dts on the ultimate evil, a republican.
I kind of knew you'd pick that up. Actually, Scooter wasn't pardoned, he was commuted.
And no, the repubs aren't ALL evil, plenty of dems are also.
Anyone that is complicit with fascists and their "secret" agenda remain so.
Those that justify slaughter, death, and war rather than healing, life, and peace fit the mold. And they do have every right to defy any orders that run counter to their inner conscience. It's their choice, as are the consequences for same.
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Old 07-29-2007, 04:45 PM
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well, i'll continue to remind myself not to hold my breath waiting for a 'dems are evil-here's an example' thread from you.
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Old 07-29-2007, 05:27 PM
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well, i'll continue to remind myself not to hold my breath waiting for a 'dems are evil-here's an example' thread from you.
I'll do my best.
Lately, I've been looking at the precedent that was set at Nurmemburg by one of Goebbel's henchmen.
So interesting...
Watch out Rupert Murdoch and Fox "News"!!!!!
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